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essay · 10-09-2006, 08:24 AM

I,m a Chinese who strongly oppose the regime of damned north korea.And i really don,t understand that why USA and its allies don,t make something solidly on korea.When korea was backed by Great leader Chairman Mao,USA fought bravely against korea without one step of retreating back,but when domestic stability became the most concern of China .why Stupid American don.t solve north korea by military mean they used to.I ,m dazzled by it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironduke

North Korea claims nuclear test.

North Korea says it has carried out its first test of a nuclear weapon, the state news agency (KCNA) has reported.

It said the underground test, carried out in defiance of international warnings, was a success and had not resulted in any leak of radiation.

The White House said South Korean and US intelligence had detected a seismic event at a suspected test site.

The White House said the reported test was a "provocative act", while China denounced it as "brazen"..

In an unusually strong statement against its ally, China expressed its "resolute opposition" to the claimed test and said it "defied the universal opposition of international society".

Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who is in Seoul for a meeting with South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun, said the test was "unpardonable".

Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso said Japan had detected seismic waves, but could not confirm whether they were from a nuclear test.

South Korea said it would "sternly respond".

President Roh has called an emergency meeting of South Korea's National Security Council and put the armed forces on a heightened state of alert.

Seoul also suspended a scheduled aid shipment to North Korea, the state news agency reported.

US White House spokesman Tony Snow said: "We expect the UN Security Council to take immediate actions to respond to this unprovoked act."

'Historic event'

When it announced the test, KCNA described it as an "historic event that brought happiness to our military and people".

"The nuclear test will contribute to maintaining peace and stability in the Korean peninsula and surrounding region," KCNA said.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency reports that the test took place in Gilju in Hamgyong province at 1036 (0136 GMT).

The BBC's Jonathan Marcus says North Korea's claimed test does not necessarily mean it has a fully-fledged nuclear bomb or warhead that it can deliver to a target.

But the demonstration of North Korea's capability is what will shake-up the geo-politics of the region, he says.

Our correspondent says there will now be pressure on the UN Security Council to push for a resolution condemning North Korea and probably demanding a stiff menu of economic sanctions.

The Japanese and South Korean foreign ministers have held a telephone conference call with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to discuss the issue, South Korea's foreign ministry said.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Beijing says China's statement is an indication of how strongly it is angered by North Korea's action, although Beijing will still be loath to support tougher sanctions against Pyongyang.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6032525.stm

-{SpoonmaN}- · 10-09-2006, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by essay

I,m a Chinese who strongly oppose the regime of damned north korea.And i really don,t understand that why USA and its allies don,t make something solidly on korea.When korea was backed by Great leader Chairman Mao,USA fought bravely against korea without one step of retreating back,but when domestic stability became the most concern of China .why Stupid American don.t solve north korea by military mean they used to.I ,m dazzled by it!

Because it would cost billions, upon billions, upon billions of dollars that they can't afford right now, unless they really have to.
Time will tell.

-{SpoonmaN}- · 10-09-2006, 09:05 AM

Time to test out those shiny new F-22s and shatter the NKAF I say, that'll smack the sense of responsibility back into them hopefully.

Anon · 10-09-2006, 10:29 AM

This is the fault of both Clinton and Bush.

The two of them have been extremely incompetent in the handling of the DPRK, seemingly relying on no more than wishful thinking as our national strategy wrt the development of a DPRK device.

There are only two courses of action that i reccomend at this point.

1) The instant and total cessation of ALL forms of aid to the DPRK.
2) The immediate and TOTAL withdrawal of ALL US forces from the South.

PS, the following is the extent of the military actions we can now safely take against them:

Anon · 10-09-2006, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commando

North Korea tested a nuclear device around an hour ago approxiametely measuring 3.6 on the richter scale. North Korea has announced it as a success.

What happens now????????

Nothing. We can do nothing now.

Thank you Clinton and Bush....fuccking morons.

essay · 10-09-2006, 10:52 AM

Don,t forget the paramount role played by Chinese whom korean rely heavily on.Korea is more important for Chinese than for American,for its thousands subsidiary status to Chinese Empire.

Srirangan · 10-09-2006, 11:00 AM

Right on. North Korea, Pakistan, Iran etc. are nothing but Chinese proxies; just as the Hezbollah-Iran relation. You know the source of it all - mother China.

Srirangan · 10-09-2006, 11:04 AM

Japan's reaction will be very interesting.

essay · 10-09-2006, 11:29 AM

What,s the japan,s response on it?I personally think that the nuclear test of korean,s will be the excuse of japanese,s ambition on it,s military buildup,esp on it,s nuclear development.It was said that japanese can become a big nuclear power within 2 weeks,because it never lack of concerning technology on nuclear weapon,and of abundant uranium.And we must keep an eye on japan!

Tronic · 10-09-2006, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

This is the fault of both Clinton and Bush.

The two of them have been extremely incompetent in the handling of the DPRK, seemingly relying on no more than wishful thinking as our national strategy wrt the development of a DPRK device.

There are only two courses of action that i reccomend at this point.

1) The instant and total cessation of ALL forms of aid to the DPRK.
2) The immediate and TOTAL withdrawal of ALL US forces from the South.

PS, the following is the extent of the military actions we can now safely take against them:

It seems like you guys are again just going to wait by until even Iran also tests their nukes...

Tronic · 10-09-2006, 11:32 AM

I can already picture you saying the same thing after Iran nuke tests...

Ray · 10-09-2006, 12:51 PM

Imagine that!

s.robat · 10-09-2006, 13:29 PM

Thought I would contribute with some footage from this
Some great reports here and they really explain the situation better

Fox News confirm North Korea Nuclear Test
Summary Report
How we got here
Who Is Kim Jong

**Officer of Engineers** · 10-09-2006, 14:30 PM

NORK DATA: It was a DUD
posted by jeffrey under north-korea

HA HA HA HA.

I love the US Geological Survey.

They’ve published lat/long (41.294°N, 129.134°E) and Mb estimates (4.2) for the North Korean test.

There is lots of data floating around: The CTBTO called it 4.0; The South Koreans report 3.58-3.7.

You’re thinking, 3.6, 4.2, in that neighborhood. Seismic scales, like the Richter, are logarithmic, so that neighborhood can be pretty big.

But even at 4.2, the test was probablya dud.

Estimating the yield is tricky business, because it depends on the geology of the test site. The South Koreans called the yield half a kiloton (550 tons), which is more or less—a factor of two—consistent with the relationship for tests in that yield range at the Soviet Shagan test site:

Mb = 4.262 + .973LogW

Where Mb is the magnitude of the body wave, and W is the yield.

3.58-3.7 gives you a couple hundred tons (not kilotons), which is pretty close in this business unless you’re really math positive. The same equation, given the US estimate of 4.2, yields (pun intended) around a kiloton.

A plutonium device should produce a yield in the range of the 20 kilotons, like the one we dropped on Nagasaki. No one has ever dudded their first test of a simple fission device. North Korean nuclear scientists are now officially the worst ever.

Of course, I want to see what the US IC says. If/when the test vents, we could have some radionuclide data—maybe in the next 72 hours or so.

But, from the initial data, I’d say someone with no workable nuclear weapons (Kim Jong Il, I am looking at you) should be crapping his pants right now.

First the missile, then the bomb. Got anything else you wanna try out there, chief?

**Officer of Engineers** · 10-09-2006, 14:32 PM

Can we merge the three threads?

NORK DATA: It was a DUD
posted by jeffrey under north-korea

HA HA HA HA.

I love the US Geological Survey.

They’ve published lat/long (41.294°N, 129.134°E) and Mb estimates (4.2) for the North Korean test.

There is lots of data floating around: The CTBTO called it 4.0; The South Koreans report 3.58-3.7.

You’re thinking, 3.6, 4.2, in that neighborhood. Seismic scales, like the Richter, are logarithmic, so that neighborhood can be pretty big.

But even at 4.2, the test was probablya dud.

Estimating the yield is tricky business, because it depends on the geology of the test site. The South Koreans called the yield half a kiloton (550 tons), which is more or less—a factor of two—consistent with the relationship for tests in that yield range at the Soviet Shagan test site:

Mb = 4.262 + .973LogW

Where Mb is the magnitude of the body wave, and W is the yield.

3.58-3.7 gives you a couple hundred tons (not kilotons), which is pretty close in this business unless you’re really math positive. The same equation, given the US estimate of 4.2, yields (pun intended) around a kiloton.

A plutonium device should produce a yield in the range of the 20 kilotons, like the one we dropped on Nagasaki. No one has ever dudded their first test of a simple fission device. North Korean nuclear scientists are now officially the worst ever.

Of course, I want to see what the US IC says. If/when the test vents, we could have some radionuclide data—maybe in the next 72 hours or so.

But, from the initial data, I’d say someone with no workable nuclear weapons (Kim Jong Il, I am looking at you) should be crapping his pants right now.

First the missile, then the bomb. Got anything else you wanna try out there, chief?

10-09-2006, 12:51 PM	#42 (permalink)
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10-09-2006, 14:30 PM	#44 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	NORK DATA: It was a DUD posted by jeffrey under north-korea HA HA HA HA. I love the US Geological Survey. They’ve published lat/long (41.294°N, 129.134°E) and Mb estimates (4.2) for the North Korean test. There is lots of data floating around: The CTBTO called it 4.0; The South Koreans report 3.58-3.7. You’re thinking, 3.6, 4.2, in that neighborhood. Seismic scales, like the Richter, are logarithmic, so that neighborhood can be pretty big. But even at 4.2, the test was probablya dud. Estimating the yield is tricky business, because it depends on the geology of the test site. The South Koreans called the yield half a kiloton (550 tons), which is more or less—a factor of two—consistent with the relationship for tests in that yield range at the Soviet Shagan test site: Mb = 4.262 + .973LogW Where Mb is the magnitude of the body wave, and W is the yield. 3.58-3.7 gives you a couple hundred tons (not kilotons), which is pretty close in this business unless you’re really math positive. The same equation, given the US estimate of 4.2, yields (pun intended) around a kiloton. A plutonium device should produce a yield in the range of the 20 kilotons, like the one we dropped on Nagasaki. No one has ever dudded their first test of a simple fission device. North Korean nuclear scientists are now officially the worst ever. Of course, I want to see what the US IC says. If/when the test vents, we could have some radionuclide data—maybe in the next 72 hours or so. But, from the initial data, I’d say someone with no workable nuclear weapons (Kim Jong Il, I am looking at you) should be crapping his pants right now. First the missile, then the bomb. Got anything else you wanna try out there, chief? __________________ Chimo

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-{SpoonmaN}- Death, the Destroyer of Worlds... *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-08-04 Location: The badlands of West London. Posts: 1,455 Country:	Time to test out those shiny new F-22s and shatter the NKAF I say, that'll smack the sense of responsibility back into them hopefully.

10-09-2006, 10:29 AM	#34 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	This is the fault of both Clinton and Bush. The two of them have been extremely incompetent in the handling of the DPRK, seemingly relying on no more than wishful thinking as our national strategy wrt the development of a DPRK device. There are only two courses of action that i reccomend at this point. 1) The instant and total cessation of ALL forms of aid to the DPRK. 2) The immediate and TOTAL withdrawal of ALL US forces from the South. PS, the following is the extent of the military actions we can now safely take against them:

10-09-2006, 10:52 AM	#36 (permalink)
essay Banished Join Date: 01-15-05 Location: china Posts: 80	Don,t forget the paramount role played by Chinese whom korean rely heavily on.Korea is more important for Chinese than for American,for its thousands subsidiary status to Chinese Empire.

10-09-2006, 11:00 AM	#37 (permalink)
Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	Right on. North Korea, Pakistan, Iran etc. are nothing but Chinese proxies; just as the Hezbollah-Iran relation. You know the source of it all - mother China.

10-09-2006, 11:04 AM	#38 (permalink)
Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	Japan's reaction will be very interesting.

10-09-2006, 11:29 AM	#39 (permalink)
essay Banished Join Date: 01-15-05 Location: china Posts: 80	What,s the japan,s response on it?I personally think that the nuclear test of korean,s will be the excuse of japanese,s ambition on it,s military buildup,esp on it,s nuclear development.It was said that japanese can become a big nuclear power within 2 weeks,because it never lack of concerning technology on nuclear weapon,and of abundant uranium.And we must keep an eye on japan!

10-09-2006, 11:32 AM	#41 (permalink)
Tronic Navajo Code Talker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-27-04 Location: Patiala, India Posts: 5,288 Country:	I can already picture you saying the same thing after Iran nuke tests...

10-09-2006, 13:29 PM	#43 (permalink)
s.robat New Member Join Date: 07-25-06 Posts: 4	Thought I would contribute with some footage from this Some great reports here and they really explain the situation better Fox News confirm North Korea Nuclear Test Summary Report How we got here Who Is Kim Jong

10-09-2006, 14:32 PM	#45 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	Can we merge the three threads? NORK DATA: It was a DUD posted by jeffrey under north-korea HA HA HA HA. I love the US Geological Survey. They’ve published lat/long (41.294°N, 129.134°E) and Mb estimates (4.2) for the North Korean test. There is lots of data floating around: The CTBTO called it 4.0; The South Koreans report 3.58-3.7. You’re thinking, 3.6, 4.2, in that neighborhood. Seismic scales, like the Richter, are logarithmic, so that neighborhood can be pretty big. But even at 4.2, the test was probablya dud. Estimating the yield is tricky business, because it depends on the geology of the test site. The South Koreans called the yield half a kiloton (550 tons), which is more or less—a factor of two—consistent with the relationship for tests in that yield range at the Soviet Shagan test site: Mb = 4.262 + .973LogW Where Mb is the magnitude of the body wave, and W is the yield. 3.58-3.7 gives you a couple hundred tons (not kilotons), which is pretty close in this business unless you’re really math positive. The same equation, given the US estimate of 4.2, yields (pun intended) around a kiloton. A plutonium device should produce a yield in the range of the 20 kilotons, like the one we dropped on Nagasaki. No one has ever dudded their first test of a simple fission device. North Korean nuclear scientists are now officially the worst ever. Of course, I want to see what the US IC says. If/when the test vents, we could have some radionuclide data—maybe in the next 72 hours or so. But, from the initial data, I’d say someone with no workable nuclear weapons (Kim Jong Il, I am looking at you) should be crapping his pants right now. First the missile, then the bomb. Got anything else you wanna try out there, chief?

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