wangrui961

If war begins between China and Janpan for the conflicts in east China sea, what will happened .
1.US ? will US war with China or adjust disorder?
2.Russia? Will Russia help China(such as supports new weapons) or keep neutral
3,India? Strike China ? keep netrual? Scold China and then do nothing?
4.EU? ajust disoder or scold China or scold Japan?
5,SK? watch a film and feel very happy?
6,PaK , I think Pak would support us.
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And who will win ,China? Japan?
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wangrui961

welcome to give your viewpoints

HistoricalDavid

a) You're too obsessed with everything Chinese. China this, China that.

1) US has about 50,000 servicemen in Japan. Probably they will retaliate, considering China's capability to seriously hurt Japan rests only with nuclear weapons.
2) I'm sure Russia would sell weapons to China, just like it's been doing for a long time. But why it would want to fight, I don't know.
3) Your Chinese ultra-patriotism / super nationalism shows here. You'd do well not to be so dismissive of India.
4) I can't see why they'd scold Japan. China, maybe.
5) What would NK do?
6) And what would Pakistan do to help you?

Above all, you have to lay out a realistic scenario.

wangrui961

what can NK do? Throw guided missiles to Japan and initiates nuclear war?
Pak can help us to cut the oil to Japan ,their ports could spport our submarines .

In fact ,any countries can get on well with China , incluing US( we can do progress in democracy and any other things you want) ,India ( we can make a concession to them and get on well with them)
BUT, the war to Japan must be on ,we will never live on the same planet with them. They owe us too much and we don't want them to pay back ,we will destory them .

glyn

HistoricalDavid

I said what would NK do? Obviously I don't speak Mandarin or Cantonese so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for misunderstanding my English.

The Pakistani navy couldn't block USN-escorted tankers going to Japan, and I doubt that your submarines have the practical endurance to go that far, assuming they don't get blown out of the water by Japanese or US anti-submarine warfare assets.

Why should the present Japanese generation pay with death for their grandfathers' crimes?

Nationalist freak.

wangrui961

If you know what did they do in the worldwar2 in China and how they kill chinese savagely ,you may forgive me . Do you know how may Chinese were killd by Japanese? 35 millions .And do you know how they do today ? They say the war is defense and refused to admit their offences . They also treat the war criminal as their national hero . There was a race between the two japanese on killing Chinese , one killed 100 and the other killed 107 ,my grandfather's father was one of the 207. And now the two japanese are in Yasukuni Shrine as hero , The japanese pay homage to Yasukuni Jinjia everyday. If you are me ?what will you do? be happy and get on well with them and view the Yasukuni Shrine very glad?

HistoricalDavid

This forum is historically quite knowledgeable, you know.

You've only partially addessed why the present generation of Japanese should pay with death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ssued_by_Japan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...1945_reactions

Obviously there is an element in Japanese society which doesn't want to apologise.

But even with this, why do words spoken by them justify war waged by you?

PS You can see the Wikipedia articles in alternative languages if you wish.

wangrui961

If you know what did they do in the worldwar2 in China and how they kill chinese savagely ,you may forgive me . Do you know how may Chinese were killd by Japanese? 35 millions .And do you know how they do today ? They say the war is defense and refused to admit their offences . They also treat the war criminal as their national hero . There was a race between the two japanese on killing Chinese , one killed 100 and the other killed 107 ,my grandfather's father was one of the 207. And now the two japanese are in Yasukuni Shrine as hero , The japanese pay homage to Yasukuni Jinjia everyday. If you are me ?what will you do? be happy and get on well with them and view the Yasukuni Shrine very glad?
yet ,I am Nationalist freak , but i want to know ,why the war criminal are as heros? their hands are stained with the blood of our people ,and Jpanese pay homage to Yasukuni Jinjia everyday . What does this mean? Does this mean they love peace? Does this mean liberty?Does this mean equality ?Does this mean universal love?

SLASH

Dude have you heard an army called Nazi.They were even worse than Japan.
Move on with life. Stop being such a member of CCP......

wangrui961

Oh,My friend, where were they? Their forces were in our motherland ,and the war was waged by us? If we send our force to US (just if ), how will you do ? get on well with us? And if we kill 30 million Americans ,what excuses can be reasonable . Don't think too much ,just answer this 2 questions ,you will find who lied.

HistoricalDavid

My great-grandfather was beaten to death by the Soviets for the crime of possessing a farm. Romania was generally starved by 45 years of communism.

Do I advocate Russia's destruction?

No, I don't.

Get on with my life and stop believing in this nutty blood-and-soil ideology.

I wouldn't be happy, no, but neither would I advocate WAR

For a start, the fact that the Japanese have the freedom to do this, the freedom to criticise each other, and the freedom to generally discuss and own up to its past crimes, instantly makes me want to support Japan in any conflict in the first place.

No, I don't think it's justifiable that those individual Japanese pay homage to those war criminals. Neither do I think it's justifiable that you advocate WAR - where people die and suffer - to somehow compensate it.

You do not have the military capability to send your forces to the United States, much less Britain, which is where I live.

If you withdrew and reformed, becoming liberal and democratic, and 60 years had passed? Yes.

The Americans would certainly wipe much of China off the face of the earth.

Don't try it.

HAHAHAHAHAH!

Sorry, I just LOVE thinking! As opposed to being a nationalist freak!

Who lied about what?

You have to understand my ideology, one which sometimes draws appreciation and sometimes derision on this forum.

I believe in freedom, elected governments, the rule of law for everybody, and individualism. You believe in what looks like some nationalism... which I hate. I really hate. I hate the division of the world into groups. Aren't we all people?

667medic

Chairman Mao killed more Chinese than the Japanese and yet he is stilled revered at Tiananmen Square.
Thousands of Tibetans were massacred by the PLA, so can they also "war" with the Chinese.
And how about all the Vietnamese, Indians and Russians killed by the PLA when you "war" with your neighbouring countries......

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wangrui961

Germens admit thier offense and not treat Hitler as nation hero. But Japanese build the Yasukuni Shrine and put all war criminal in it ,they treat them as nation heros and pay homage to Yasukuni Jinjia everday ,If you go to Japan ,you will find everyone does so ,old men ,adults ,childern , and even their premier . If you are Chinese(just if), will you hope to peace with them?

HistoricalDavid

Apart from the far-right in Germany.

How many vist the shrine each day?

How about Mao?

Yes. I wouldn't like them, but I wouldn't want WAR because of a non-violent action like visiting a shrine.