Anon

Unless we did something stoopid like start a land war with them, a war with China would likely be akin to shooting ducks.

Isugan

Hello I have been watching this topic and would like to add a few things :

The war with China and Japan, is still going, but the rules have changed, it is an industrial war, Japan in the 70 and 80 was winning, but china hated it as Japan had money poured into them from the west as they felt guilt on the A bombs, but now the Chinese have managed to undercut Japan and is taking over the world trade market, what the Japanese did to the west is now being done to them by China! next phase will be India undercutting China!

Why do chinese still hate the Japanese? Well it will fade, but at the moment it is still in some peoples life span, and that is understandable, so the arguement that here in U.K. we should be hating the romans is a bit silly as that is a complete different era.

Also, Chinese should think, that Human rights in their own country is non existant so they cannot really shout at the Japanese too much. japan now is a different place than the 30's 40's... is China??

Why am I talking about this topic? well, I have been writing, thinking, talking on the Japanese since i was 8 or 9 yrs old, as my father was a slave labourer in Nagasaki for 3yrs 1942- 45 as a POW. and you are right that the Japanese never have met their ww2 activities head on, and dealt with it and talked about it, BUT that is very common in all Far Eastern countries, ignore it, deny it, jump over it, walk around it, bury it, anything but DEAL with it! In my travels I have seen this all too aften, in SE asia, we in the west cannot understand it. but there are some odd examples ie : the Japanese say that they cannot apologise for WW2 and their crimes, as there is no word in japanese for "sorry" and yet a few years ago a nuclear power plant had a leak, and it contaminated a local area, the power plant manager was forced to go on national Tv by the government and say SORRY to the people...so???

Germany has always carried WW2 on its shoulders and can talk of it openly, and it has made them a better people for it, good for them!

Also think about it, if there was a major war again anywhere, it wold not last long, as the armament companies could not supply the hardware quick enough to keep up with it, no they are only interested in small affairs by weak countries. hope you do not mind my input.

Officer of Engineers

If we have a staging area in Northwest China, we can win that one hands down, just like the Soviets planned on their end. A thrust to Lop Nor.

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Triple C

I can't think of a China-Japan conflict senario in which US is obliged to send ground forces. In a China-Taiwan conflict the US might need to commit some ground troops in Taiwan, but that's quite different from fighting the PLA on the mainland.

astralis

hi triple C,

just wondering if you were familiar with these forums.

http://forum.china-defense.com/ (China Defense Forum, OoE is a moderator there)

http://www.taiwanmilitary.org/phpBB2/ (Taiwan Military Forum)

and a shameless shill/somewhat off-topic,

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/ (China History Forum, i'm a moderator there )

would welcome your participation and opinion in those places.

Triple C

No, I am not familiar with the forums above, and I will join them soon. Thank you for the links.

gunnut

US won't send ground forces, or even any assets onto Taiwan itself, in any foreseeable future scenarios. China doesn't have the ability to land enough troops to threaten Taiwan's forces. What troops China can land will probably be quickly surrounded and destroyed.

Neither side has the ability to land enough forces onto the other side. The status quo will continue.

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glow

Sooooo...... Do you think jews should wage war on German familys cause their family members we're killed by Germans? Those German familys. I really doubt Germans think back to their family members in WWII as villains.

My family left Russia because of the Bolsheviks but you don't seem me wanting to destroy Russia either. I'de worry more about how much of an ecological disaster your country is or how in fact your ruleing class is screwing your countrymen over than how Japanese acted in WWII

gunnut

But, what do you think Israel would do if Germany declares Hitler and his henchmen to be national heroes?

Germans are different than Japanese because they admitted wrong doings and appologized profusely for it.

Japanese never admitted to starting the war and never appologized to their victims. They are now trying to rewrite history in their school textbooks telling kids they did not invade China.

What would happen if Mississippi started to replace the word "slave" with "servent" and denies that slavery had ever happened?

We are not perfect. No one is. We merely ask those who commit criminal acts to admit wrong doing and appologize to their victims.

gesar

the communists rightfully want the japanese to acknowledge the horrors they commited during the war and apologize.they consider the japanese war heoes to be monsters.

but they forget their own monsters like mao the paedophile.i mean come on he made hitler look like a joker.he killed/liberated tibet/muslims/chinese in the same way the japanese did.he did everything that the japanese did.

.communist liberated us the same way the japanese liberated china....lol...the sad thing the communist are still there in tibet with a giant statue of the Paedophile MAO....lol....heheh

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Francois

Racism put aside, Japan is one of the best country to live in today.
At almost ANY standard.
Excellent food, excellent people, nice, polite, never insulting, never too loud, beautiful landscape, beautiful girls, a culture deep and swallow at the same time, freedom of speach, safe, nice to foreigners...

Can't tell two of these in China!

PandaRoo

Don't think that's going to happen.
Well, some people here in China are obviously way too obssessed with the idea that China and Japan would fight one day.

Whereas as far as I know probably most Japanese are far less interested in that and struggling to understand why the two nations have to fight, again.

The so-called patriotism sh*t in China is really getting on my nerves these days, so bloody annoying.
Some of you guys seriously need to get over it.

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Get over it~:rolleyes:

ArGoN

I think the propaganda works well in China. We Indonesians also cant deny Japanese brutality during wwII. As you know, we are also one of the victim (although it's true that Chinese lost more than us). But get over it, we're not so vengeful to Japan unlike China or even SK, perhaps because we are geographically separated and we rely on Japanese electronics lol.

I think it's because China and SK are fast growing country and they rely on the people's nationalism to build their nation and use the nation's momentum. And all these debates are just the proof that chinese, koreans, or even the japs are highly influenced by the mass nation-scale propaganda of nationalism and patriotism. Why would people demand war? it's just the product of your government propaganda...

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TopHatter

Argon, do please avoid the use of that term for Japanese people. It's considered offensive. Thanks.

ArGoN

sry, I didn't mean to use offensive language (I used the word just because it's short). A warning for my first post in the forum >.<