wangrui961

Some words in China can't translate into English .As you are "a military historian" and " a watcher of PLA for 20 years",and you have gave many posts about china history,but dou you know Chinese even a little? when we translate "zhong hua ren min gong he guo " in to " PRC" ,the means changed.But we can't find a better way to translate.And i think if you learn a little chinese ,you will find many debates are meaningless.

wangrui961

still I don't consider Canadians, Australians, British, Irish, and Americans one people.I never said this. I also never said the Mongolian and Han are a people.But "Chinese" is not a people .It consists of Han and Mogolian and so on.

Officer of Engineers

I speak Mandarin and Cantonese and read Chinese and I don't buy the one China and Chinese theory. It doesn't explain the wars, the uprising, and the treatment of Mongol and Qing rulers.

And I've seen too many wars to ever believe this one China crap.

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astralis

wangrui,

the idea of the five-race republic only came during the time of sun zhongshan (sun yatsen).

sorry to tell you, but you are using MODERN ideas- nationalism- to try to fit ancient history. that does not work.

during those times there WAS no china. there was only tian xia, with all the barbarians running along the outskirts. durring the warring states period (even prior to the idea of tian xia), the kingdoms of wei, qi, and han all thought the kingdoms of qin, yan, and chu were all semi-barbaric states, for example- despite the first two (and partly the latter) being mostly han ethnicity.

wangrui961

Oh , I'm sorry that you can speak Chinese.
So the debates are due to this

满招损，谦受益
man zhao sun ,qian shou yi~

I think you should learn this .

Officer of Engineers

And this proves you've learned the wrong thing

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/2172558.cms

wangrui961

"Chinese" means "Zhongguo ren ", and "Zhongguo ren" never means Han people or any people in any time.1000 years ago it did't means a people and so doesn't now.
And this has noting to do wtih Sun zhongshan's idea.
So whether Hawaiians are Ameicans ?

Officer of Engineers

**** ROLLING MY EYES ****

Right! So, the fact that the Mongol Empire stretches all the to Poland meant that the Poles, Russians, Turks, Arabs, Afghanis were all once Chinese citizens.

HORSE PUCKEY!

wangrui961

Sorry Officer, I can't believe this because I just get words and words from your link.And even this is true ,I don't think I learned the wrong thing.I have read a lot about this .my teacher told us such things in the classroom.Students can get any informations include good or bad to China,I don't think this means anything.In the 1960s ,many people run to the USSR from the west border and we let them go. But now ,If you want to go aborad ,you can apply to the goverment and give up the nationality,you can go.Why they "run" to Nepal ? If a man "run" to Mexco from us ,your soldiers will do nothing?

gps glonass

No you don't speak Chinese, your just a disgruntled India-fan who cries because the dali lama is going senile or you cry because of the PRC's control of Aksai Chin, and moan because Indian got their asses handed to them by China in '62. I don't know why you keep insisting that Turkish people own China, its seems you've confused China's ethnic groups ( Cantonese, Mongol, Yi, Han....) with the people of Uzbeks, Turks Macedonians, Azerbaijanis, Siberian Tatars...they are all totally different ethnic groups. None of them are Turks, they only share some random historical traits or vague links to the Turkish language. If you called a Azerbaijani a 'Turk', he'd punch you right into the face...its as stupid as trying to claim Spanish are all Romans or claim Spain should do owned by Arabs because of some foggy historical links.

Why are you bringing up the conquest of A-stan, the commies never laid claim to this dump. Afghanistan is an ungovernable hell hole, and even if some Chinese Mongolid owned it the Chinese of today wouldn't be bothered claiming it, its such a dump they only thing they can offer the world are narcotics, sand and terrorism.

wangrui961

officer ,Chinese has a so wide mening ,the Singaporean are Chinese,whether they are China citizens?

astralis

wangrui,

i remind you that the ming called themselves the DA MING, the qing called themselves the DA QING. the definition of "zhong guo" changed in almost EVERY DYNASTY, and even during the spring & autumn periods/warring states period.

US college students do that every friday night.

highsea

ROFLMAO. No, we'll gun him down like a dog...

You know how hard it is to get into Mexico from the US? You drive across a speed bump. You don't even have to stop.

No one tries to prevent Americans from going to Mexico, dude. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

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wangrui961

Just a "IF" .i mean each soldier would gun if any one want to run across the border, err....change the example to the NK and SK or Pakstain and India.

Officer of Engineers

Go blow it out your corn hole, horse dung for brains.