Bluesman

Today is the anniversary of the death of Mohammed.

Thought it was an interesting factoid.

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Asim Aquil

I believe it is.

Ray

And yet not followed!

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"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

HAKUNA MATATA

Asim Aquil

I follow it.

Ray

Asim Aquil

I didn't.

Ray

Asim Aquil

It's not. And I didn't declare it as banned either. and I consider it to be a part of Islam.

Parihaka

Then we have common ground.

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Anon

Insomniac that was a most enlightening post. Thanx very much for your perspective.

swann

this is what makes it hard for me to be tolerant of the muslim religion. this is why sharia is a scourge and a farce. this is why islam is uncivilized. this is why islam is not a peaceful religion. islam may mean "peace." big whoop. the proof is in the pudding. the fighting and violence will stop when muslims worldwide learn this lesson: only adherents to your religion have to obey your law. if they choose not to adhere to your religion, they are not bound by your law. therefore the law regarding conversion away from islam is unenforcable. therefore all laws regarding punishment or negative action against non-adherents are useless and unenforcable.

you don't get to "have it your way". this ain't muhammed's burger king.

to hell with sharia, to hell with muhammed, and to hell with islam if the adherents of islam cannot learn to live and let live.

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Ray

Swift Sword

Now that makes two things that you have in common with the Salafist terrorists:

1. You and they both use Islam as justification to play to the base qualities of ignorance and fear;

2. You and they both have not managed to study past the 9'th or 10'th century.

You might get farther if you take the last thousand years into account...but then you would not be able to support your predetermined conclusion that Muslims/Jews/******s/Micks/Spics/W.O.P.s are dirty/filthy/dishonest/violent/untrustworty and always will be so.

Most people do not need to be subjected to Nazi style racial/cultural indoctrination that you are espousing to figure out that people who fly airplanes into buildings are nothing more than common criminals.

I started studying it in the 1980s ergo you must be some sort of oriental studies prodigy.

You are clearly ignoring the bulk of Islamic history and the rise of "Arabism" which, as our friend the good Captain Shek has pointed out, renders your grasp of the subject and your credibility somewhat suspect (and that is putting relatively politely).

HINT: Again, Shek is right: you are looking into matters that are chronologically pretty well divorced from the matter at hand.

Start your study of Pan Islamic thought in the 1790s and you might start to get a grasp of what is really going on. Most of the ladies and gents inside the beltway seem to have failed at this basic task so you might actually learn something and be on the leading edge of the issue.

I must remind you that it is pasta you throw at the wall to see if it sticks; not salad, not pudding, not beer nor fruit bats, wombats and breakfast cereals and certainly not half baked theories of history without much grounding in fact.

Geeze, another Islamaphobic propaganda plug: Islam is alien, violent and Muslims are out to get Christians.

You are attempting to run the play as articulated in Chapter 6 of "Mein Kampf" but you clearly missed Hitler's most important point: you are attempting to propagandize an audience that is not ignorant of the subject.

Insomniac,

If you spent half the time and effort you spend trying to get us to fear and loathe Islam on working out the kinks in international relations that are fueling the rise of violent, non state actors, we might be able to get the troops home by Christmas.

W.

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Anon

So why dont you enlighten us?

Ray