Feanor

Well on a more serious note what are you going to do if the extremists are in your government, at the local police station, and staring at you from an army recruitment poster?

Danielk

Thats like a last resort thingy, aint gonna happen =)

Shek

Danielk,

What about the Iraqi tribes fighting against AQI? Is this not speaking out?
What about the Jordanians that spoke out by the bushel (and it made it into the Western press) a over a year ago when AQI bombed a Jordanian wedding?
What about the dozens of fatwas posted online in English that would take an enterprising person 5-10 minutes max to find?

The truth is that many moderate Muslims do speak out (and there's enough out there in English for those who don't speak the standard tongue of Islam, Arabic). The question is whether folks want to hear the same or if they want to believe all Muslims are either evil or complicit because of closed ears or closed minds.

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Big K

btw,

why "True Islam" thread is in the defence topic?...

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Feanor

Because christians are looking for a way to defend against it? Or because many western governments see Islam as a threat? Or maybe because Middle Eastern and North African immigrants are eroding European culture? (and give it 50 more years and Europe will be hell).

EDIT: Just for clarification, as I've noticed, in this forum people assume that because you said something it represents your views. This does NOT represent my views, atleast not directly.

xerxes

I definitly cannot blame the Europieans for fearing their beloved Europe to be middle easternized .. for the lack of a better word.

I never been in England, though I would love to go there for one week, do a south-to-all-the-way-to-Scapa-Flow where the Royal Oak is resting. But the thought of my imaginery foggy London (from movies and books and Shelock Holms and Poirot) being turned into a Asian city is not a pleasant one.

But really, i doubt that either the Algerians nor the Indians tought of the idea of being an imperial subjects of Paris or London as a pleasant one, either.

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Feanor

Well considering the European ethnos is nearing the end of it's existence, the Europeans have no long term future (long term = over 200 years). So really it's more a matter of time.

Dwarven Pirate

I've not read this whole thread. Perhaps you've gone way beyond that front page stuff. Just wanted to interject that I think religion is not a cause of violence, but rather is prone to use as a justification for it. (Economics being the underlying motivator in all but the most extreme fanatic.)

brokensickle

On this we agree!




Ivan

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Danielk

So , you think muslims are gonna take over!?!

Feanor

Not necessarily Muslims. And not necessarily take over. More like assimilate and give birth to a new ethnos.

zraver

Religion in the Minority- Peace man, cut me a break. Can't we all get along?

Religion in the Majority- Cut and break man into peaces. Do as I say I've had the truth all along!

brokensickle

Christians have been the majority in America for quite some time. I haven't seen the dreaded "cut and break" you speak of. There have been the occasional loon that has entered the ranks though.

The percentage of just out and out crazies that claim no Christian affilliation is so much greater that "cut and break" Christians is a moot point and a small abberation.

But us Christians are held to a much, much higher standard than the rest this is true.




Ivan