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Old 11-14-2003, 19:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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1st, the reserves are a part time position in most NATO countries, akin to a second part time job.
Gotcha, but if they can't use 'em, what's the point of having 'em?
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To support 1.4million soldiers several thousand miles away from home? Yeah. It would.
500,000,000 per person? No way.

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Gotcha, but if they can't use 'em, what's the point of having 'em?
Relic of the Cold War Days. Need to change a whole set of laws, including employment protection which very few NATO member has. Politicians just don't want to go through the hassels.

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500,000,000 per person? No way.
Ever seen an American base in theatre with its own movie theatre, Convience Stores, portable water, in essence an entire city? Yeah, very way.

To maintain combat effectiveness without going home and combat pay, you'll need to build and bring the infrastructure from home. That means you can't rotate home for stand down and re-training so that you've got to do this in theatre, meaning also that you've got to build the ranges and testing grounds.

And I'm not even talking about bring families over.

One of the reasons why I called Rumsfeld threat of moving brigades to Eastern Europe a pipe dream. To upgrade those East European former Warsaw Pact bases to NATO standards would bankrupt the DoD.
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Old 11-14-2003, 21:00 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Relic of the Cold War Days. Need to change a whole set of laws, including employment protection which very few NATO member has. Politicians just don't want to go through the hassels.
Wow, that's messed up. They should just do away with reserves, save the money and count any ex-military as reserve for the number crunchers.
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To maintain combat effectiveness without going home and combat pay, you'll need to build and bring the infrastructure from home. That means you can't rotate home for stand down and re-training so that you've got to do this in theatre, meaning also that you've got to build the ranges and testing grounds.

And I'm not even talking about bring families over.
Ahhhh, I see, I think. So the extreme cost difference is because it's ALL of the available troops? If it were 1/4 of the available troops the cost would be more normal?
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Wow, that's messed up. They should just do away with reserves, save the money and count any ex-military as reserve for the number crunchers.
There's that pesky changing of the law thing again. It's actually cheaper to do nothing.

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Ahhhh, I see, I think. So the extreme cost difference is because it's ALL of the available troops? If it were 1/4 of the available troops the cost would be more normal?
I say so.
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Are reservists obliged to keep in shape?
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I think they are given training every month to keep fit
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There's that pesky changing of the law thing again. It's actually cheaper to do nothing.
Only in the short run.

Thanks for the clarification.
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Are reservists obliged to keep in shape?
Depending on the trade, a reservist has to pass a physical course once every year or two. The onus is on the individual to keep in shape. Parade days are way too valuable for other training - like learning how to shoot instead of running a mile with a full pack.
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