I was watching the UN assembly earlier this week, and a question hit me, and I have been searching google but no answer! I though there are people here with experience and etc etc..
Does the US Secret Service provide security WITHIN the un HQ? And if they do, are other foreign diplomatic security detailed allowed entrance within UN grounds armed?
Basically, does the UN allow other foreign services protection units within the UN compound and armed?
The US is responsible for overall security but all the Embassies enjoy diplomatic status within the compound, ie their agents will not be arrested simply because they are armed nor even commit acts against the US ... but they can be killed and their actions will be taken as an Act of War against the US.
Chimo
Yeah, I understand that the United States Secret Service coordinate all the heads of states visits to NY. I actually watched a good episode on it, UNITED NATIONS LOCKDOWN - (Secret Service Files | United Nations Lockdown | National Geographic Channel). USSS And DSS are responsible for security.
But are you saying, within the compound, the United States is also responsible for security? That lead agency would be the Secret Service? Or DSS?
From reading a UN outline on the Millennium Summit it states the United Nations Security and Safety Service. "Dss" Brings me to this website - https://dss.un.org/dssweb/.
Now there are two different DSS's. One within the Dep. Of State & the UN.Security responsibilities
Security responsibility for the Millennium Summit is the same as that for any other activity at the United Nations: the United Nations Security and Safety Service is responsible for the security of everyone while they are on United Nations premises; the host country and host city authorities are responsible for all arrangements relating to security and movement outside United Nations Headquarters, as is standard for official visits.
Protection is provided by host country security authorities to Heads of State and Government, as well as to a limited number of other government officials, by the assignment of protection detail personnel. Arrangements for such assignments are initiated by the embassies of the relevant countries, in Washington D.C., with the United States Department of State. In the case of Heads of State and Government, the respective embassies should contact the United States State Department, if they have not already done so.
Governments whose Head of State and Government is attending the Millennium Summit may wish to have direct consultations with the United Nations Security and Safety Service, particularly with regard to accreditation of national security details.
Any question should be directed to the Chief of the United Nations Security and Safety Service, Michael McCann (963-7525), or to the Assistant Chief, Joseph Martella (963-6150). The Millennium Summit security planning team is located in room GA-100 (963-0368/0369).
On side question, I guess Kofi Annan had Mp5's within the compound of the UN. I thought the UN enjoyed special status, and had diplomatic immunity? Yet the ATF or I think the State Department stated firearms are not covered under diplomatic immunity.U.N. building to lose submachine gun stash - Washington Times -
Under a U.S. agreement with the United Nations, DSS bears ultimate responsibility for Mr. Annan’s protection within the borders of the United States.
So how do other foreign entities come here armed, are they granted a waiver? For there automatic weapons?
So you answered my question regarding are other countries security detail granted authority to remained armed within the UN premises. That's a whole lot of security details armed in one building! Sounds like a vetting nightmare!
No Embassy bodyguard/ninja will ever repelled a missile launched from an aircraft 100 miles off shore. That remains solely the responsibility and capability of the US for the UN.
All this being said, Embassy bodyguards are also obligated to obey the laws of the US. Their weapons have to be registered and cannot be used for crimes within the US. Failure to do so will not result in court convictions in the US but they will be considered Acts of War against the US.
Chimo
I'm still waiting to see CIWS units mounted atop the UN building...No Embassy bodyguard/ninja will ever repelled a missile launched from an aircraft 100 miles off shore. That remains solely the responsibility and capability of the US for the UN.
What's so complicated about that?Originally Posted by Dago
USSS - provides security for heads of states (and only those)
DSS - provides security for US diplomatic personnel, including the US Ambassador to the UN
DHSSS/SSS - pseudo-"private" security service within the US, not an agency of any state, protects the UN
The MP5 affair was about an officer of DHSSS - a former NYPD officer - buying six MP5 for his forces in 1998. The ATF found out about this in 2003 and declared that the import of the weapons for use by a non-law-enforcement entity was illegal. Since the UN is not an accepted state entity for the USA and its employees are not considered representatives of such an entity diplomatic immunity has nothing to do with it.
Back then the security of the UNHQ was a separate entity btw (SSS - Security and Safety Services). In 2004 following several attacks on UN facilities the UN adopted a structure merging SSS (UNHQ Security) with UNSECOORD (UN Offices Security) and all civilian security components of DPKO. The current structure within UN is UNDSS (Security Department) -> DHSSS (Safety and Security) -> SSS (UNHQ section).
They have a couple vacancies in NYC right now btw. According to those, the deputy chief SSS "implements and maintains defensive measures to mitigate/forestall all possible breaches of security, taking into account the threat assessment of the UNHQ, NY district conducted in co-ordination with host city/country authorities". Or in other words, that guy will be responsible if the UN gets its CIWS on the roof
If anyone's interested: For that one a master's degree in Law Enforcement, Public Administration or related and ten years experience in security management in police or military in command function and minimum five years international experience is required, five years experience with UN Security highly desirable.
Last edited by kato; 28 Sep 11, at 04:04.
Turkish leaders security staff scuffle with UN guards:
Full article at: U.N. talks disturbed by violent scuffle between Turkish diplomats and U.N. security - NYPOST.comWhile the UN General Assembly was working to promote peace, behind the scenes officials were trying to contain a violent scuffle between UN security staff and Turkish diplomats.
Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu’s security team members became aggressive after they were escorted to the wrong floor during Thursday’s session, sources tell us. After being told they couldn’t enter that area by UN security, they “pushed their way onto the floor, screaming, shoving and stomping on UN security,” witnesses said, as the group tried to push in to hear the debate over Palestine.
Another witness told us that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan -- who made his first speech before the UN on Thursday, blasting Israel for “building new barriers to peace” -- was also present, and one of his guards “picked up a female UN security officer and threw her across the room, before UN security “jumped on” the Turkish guard.
Looks like two UN staff members were hospitalized.
Wolf Hunter
Now when I was a younger man, that was called WENCHING. wtf?and one of his guards “picked up a female UN security officer and threw her across the room"
So Kato, during a UN General assembly or any meeting at the United Nations, I knew that the DSS is in charge of security within the compound grounds. From reading the Millennium Summit document. I didn't exactly know if they were the sole agency, or if there was ordination within the grounds.What's so complicated about that?
USSS - provides security for heads of states (and only those)
DSS - provides security for US diplomatic personnel, including the US Ambassador to the UN
DHSSS/SSS - pseudo-"private" security service within the US, not an agency of any state, protects the UN
The MP5 affair was about an officer of DHSSS - a former NYPD officer - buying six MP5 for his forces in 1998. The ATF found out about this in 2003 and declared that the import of the weapons for use by a non-law-enforcement entity was illegal. Since the UN is not an accepted state entity for the USA and its employees are not considered representatives of such an entity diplomatic immunity has nothing to do with it.
Back then the security of the UNHQ was a separate entity btw (SSS - Security and Safety Services). In 2004 following several attacks on UN facilities the UN adopted a structure merging SSS (UNHQ Security) with UNSECOORD (UN Offices Security) and all civilian security components of DPKO. The current structure within UN is UNDSS (Security Department) -> DHSSS (Safety and Security) -> SSS (UNHQ section).
They have a couple vacancies in NYC right now btw. According to those, the deputy chief SSS "implements and maintains defensive measures to mitigate/forestall all possible breaches of security, taking into account the threat assessment of the UNHQ, NY district conducted in co-ordination with host city/country authorities". Or in other words, that guy will be responsible if the UN gets its CIWS on the roof
If anyone's interested: For that one a master's degree in Law Enforcement, Public Administration or related and ten years experience in security management in police or military in command function and minimum five years international experience is required, five years experience with UN Security highly desirable.
Now my question to you, are armed foreign protection services granted access to the UN facility? Or does the DSS require them to be unarmed? My personal thought of this would be, of course yes. The Secret Service would never let the President be in that type of situation. Which brings me to another question, possibly the USSS takes control of the facility when the US President is within the facility? I am not sure.
Which brings me to another point, you have 100+ world leaders, going to the UN building, each with there armed protective services in such close proximity within a building. Because when I say speeches of the General assembly, I didn't see a single of there protective units with them in sight. It would be completely unpractical to have protective units within that General assembly.
Which had me thinking, maybe the DHSS prevents armed or only world leaders within the General assembly. Which got me thinking, the USSS would never sign off on that, they are with the POTUS 100%. So I thought possibly the USSS would take a lead during the event with the DHSS.
I wonder if he made it to the General assembly? I see one guy getting planted to the ground. But it looks like the entire other security detail made it through LOL.
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