Thread: Osama Bin Laden is dead and his corpse is in US hands.

Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim

What does 'a house bigger than its neighbors' have to do with taking terrorism seriously?

And in a country of almost 200 million, limited resources, multiple insurgencies and terrorist cells in multiple cities and tribal areas, what would make this particular house in a peaceful and quiet town and neighborhood so bloody special?

Well obviously, because it was bigger, you omitted it does have to do with terrorism! Why would it be raided then! Obviously, large compounds, and such, with gates and no phone or internet while burning there own trash seems fishy! Why else would you have raided the place! .

So I guess the size or what not, it raised red flags. The only thing, that would make it check out, in that type of neighborhood, would be this guy was one of yours! ISI or Military.

The same US after all let OBL escape from Tora Bora and botched the Somali raid, among various other military disasters.

The same Pakistan which has never won a war. The same Pakistan which supports international terrorists, the same nation which most major terrorists attack arise from, which gives aid to the Taliban and the worlds most wanted man was just caught in a million dollar home surrounded by military elites.

This after we spent huge sums on flood aid and earthquake assistance, and Pakistan spat in our face and were hiding him.

Osama bin Laden dead: the mysterious Khan family who were 'good neighbours'

Exclusive: Nobody could fault them. The Khans were good neighbours, always polite, and more than a cut above the rest, reports Peter Oborne.

They spoke perfect Pashtu - the language of Pakistan’s unruly tribal areas - in a cultivated, urban accent. They were careful to pay their bills on time and popular with local shop keepers.

Women and children came and went, travelling mostly in a red Suzuki van. The family were well off, telling locals that they had made their money trading gold.

Certainly, they were reclusive. The imposing house in Abbottabad had high walls and was fortified by barbed wire. They never handed out their phone numbers. There were no telephones in the house, and no internet.

When school children playing cricket knocked balls into their compound they were never allowed in to find them instead the Khan’s would pay them 100 rupees - approximately 70p - as compensation.

But nobody made anything of it. Neighbours simply assumed that the head of the household - who called himself Arshad Khan, like many other Pakistan businessmen, have made some powerful enemies in his road to riches.

Osama bin Laden dead: the mysterious Khan family who were 'good neighbours' - Telegraph

Originally Posted by troung

The same Pakistan which has never won a war. The same Pakistan which supports international terrorists, gives aid to the Taliban and the worlds most wanted man was just caught in a million dollar home surrounded by military elites.

This after we spent huge sums on flood aid and earthquake assistance, and Pakistan spat in our face and were hiding him.

Rant, rant, rant, rant and yet more nonsensical rant ....

Rant, rant, rant, rant and yet more nonsensical rant ....

The head of the CIA has already come out and said they didn't tell Pakistan about the raid because they would tip him off and that the GoP/PA/ISI were either stupid or hiding him - so what are you still doing posting here?

Originally Posted by Dago

Well obviously, because it was bigger, you omitted it does have to do with terrorism!

OMG! It was 'bigger'. How could I have overlooked that!

Pakistan must immediately consider all houses 'bigger' than their neighbors as 'terrorist compounds'.

Why would it be raided then! Obviously, large compounds, and such, with gates and no phone or internet while burning there own trash seems fishy! Why else would you have raided the place! .

Actually, nothing in the above is fishy if you live and travel in Pakistan for a while, and certainly nothing to suggest that OBL would be there.

So I guess the size or what not, it raised red flags. The only thing, that would make it check out, in that type of neighborhood, would be this guy was one of yours! ISI or Military.

So guess what, it did not raise enough red flags, with every thing else Pakistan is dealing with, to warrant any further scrutiny.

Originally Posted by troung

The head of the CIA has already come out and said they didn't tell Pakistan about the raid because they would tip him off and that the GoP/PA/ISI were either stupid or hiding him - so what are you still doing posting here?

I have already addressed the 'rant' of the head of the CIA. Perhaps you should read the posts instead of posting nonsensical rants.

Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim

In terms of keeping tabs on a residence and its residents, that would be a local police prerogative. The ISI would only be involved if there was a link to terrorism.

Funny you use that phrase.

Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim

The same US after all let OBL escape from Tora Bora and botched the Somali raid, among various other military disasters.

But we pulled of this one without Pakistanis' help or knowledge...fancy that...

I have already addressed the 'rant' of the head of the CIA. Perhaps you should read the posts instead of posting nonsensical rants.

The head of the CIA shot down those points, what are you still doing here? Dude expressly came out and said they couldn't be trusted and that they were either stupid or helping him. Went out of his way to shot down Pakistani backed rumors that they played a role or knew the raid was coming. The head of the CIA not some Pakistani kids "uncle".

What are you doing here other then providing amusement about us holding OBL hostages...

Originally Posted by Agnostic Muslim

Why would we check it again?

Out of envy that the house was 'bigger than its neighbors'?

A rather pathetic excuse for failure. Anyone who ever lived near a bad neighborhood knows what you are describing is not how a semi-competent police force do business.

It is five years since “Arshad Khan” purchased an isolated plot of land in this prime area of real estate. He hired a local contractor to build the house and told those who asked that he came from Charsadda, a village near Peshawar, the city which acts as a gateway to the war-torn tribal regions.

This right here would raise major red flags. Tribal areas, spoke perfect pashtu. This guy was from the tribal areas, where inherently, have been a large part the enemy of Pakistan recently. What would be worse? Actually having him move from Afghanistan, and calling him self an Afghani, and saying he cultivated right near Tora Bora, and moved right next door to Military elites.

Furthermore, there entire lifestyle sounds fishy. No visitors inside. No phone/internet. Gives a sense of "outsiders". And the sense of "outsiders" didn't raise questions to local people living there? Be like some 20 yr old, moving into some senior retirement area. Throwing parties. Etc etc... bet you he sticks out like a sore thumb.

Originally Posted by Dago

But the hints are, that these dudes could be bad characters.

The ISI and military are not responsible for 'bad characters'. That is a police issue, and the Pakistani police is pretty incompetent and corrupt.

With higher walls than anything other in the area, multiple gates, this looks like a terrorist compound.

Right, 'looks like a terrorist compound'. They teach that in the Terror 101 class do they? Or perhaps it is in the terrorist handbook, to construct compounds like that?

The only way - that they wouldn't look, or think twice if it was one of there own. Other wise, why would some guy, that isn't from here, be moving here? What is his backgrounds? Just because he checks out now, doesn't mean this guy doesn't has fishy connections. Where does his money come from? etc etc

Wow - Pakistan just has resources lying around to chase this particular house in a quiet, peaceful town for years on end.

And if you read the article from the Telegraph above, the local residents did not really offer any views about the people there that were 'red flag worthy'.