Osama Bin Laden is dead and his corpse is in US hands.

**tankie** · 03 May 11,, 17:22

Bush tried n failed

Clinton tried n failed

Obama got the job done

moral of the story

if you want someone dead ,,, hire a black guy

Well done Yanks .

**Bhaarat** · 03 May 11,, 17:35

Pakistan intelligence official admits failure in Osama saga as suspicions deepen
Pakistan intelligence official admits failure in Osama saga as suspicions deepen - International Business Times

Pakistan's premier intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which has come under global suspicion and condemnation for allegedly having links to terrorist groups, including al Qaeda, told BBC that it “failed” in its efforts to capture the terrorist chief Osama Bin Laden.
An official of the intelligence agency said that the Abbottabad compound where Bin Laden was killed by US forces had been raided in 2003. At that time, ISI officials believed that another al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libi, was hiding out there.
The compound is only a few hundred yards from the Pakistan Military Academy.
"The compound was not on our radar, it is an embarrassment for the ISI", the official said. "We're good, but we're not God."
The ISI official also divulged some other details that appear to contradict accounts given by US forces, For example, he said that the American took away one person who was alive, possibly a son of Osama. He also claimed that there were up to 18 people in the compound during the attack and that survivors of the raid included a wife, daughter and eight or nine other children of Osama.

In contrast, the US has only said that it killed Osama and buried him at sea.
Moreover, the fact that the US government did not notify Pakistani officials of the raid on Osama’s compound has raised a multitude of alarms.
"It is inconceivable that bin Laden was hiding in a place that is the alma mater of Pakistan's army without some people in our security establishment -- either military, intelligence or police -- being aware that he was there," Imtiaz Gul, director of the Islamabad-based Center for Research and Security Studies, according to media reports.
"It has caused some shock for Pakistanis to learn that he was in such a central place."

A BBC correspondent in Islamabad, Owen Bennet Jones, commented on how difficult it will be for the USD to ascertain the culpability of Pakistan’s military and intelligence in relation to possible aiding and abetting Osama ....
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Bin Laden: Pakistan intelligence agency admits failures
BBC News - Bin Laden: Pakistan intelligence agency admits failures

Pakistan's main intelligence agency, the ISI, has said it is embarrassed by its failures on al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

An ISI official told the BBC the compound in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was killed by US forces on Sunday had been raided several years ago.
But the compound "was not on our radar" since then, the official said.

The government of Pakistan has categorically denied any knowledge of the raid before it took place.
No base within Pakistan was used by US forces, the ministry of foreign affairs said in a statement.
It went on: "US helicopters entered Pakistani airspace making use of blind spots in the radar coverage due to hilly terrain."
However, the ministry defended the ISI, saying: "As far as the target compound is concerned, ISI had been sharing information with CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies since 2009."

'Caught by surprise'
Bin Laden, 54, was the founder and leader of al-Qaeda. He is believed to have ordered the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 September 2001, as well as a number of other deadly bombings.
The ISI official gave new details of the raid, saying Bin Laden's young daughter had said she saw her father shot.
He told the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in Islamabad that the compound in Abbottabad, just 100km (62 miles) from the capital, was raided when under construction in 2003.
It was believed an al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there.
But since then, "the compound was not on our radar, it is an embarrassment for the ISI", the official said. "We're good, but we're not God."

He added: "This one failure should not make us look totally incompetent. Look at our track record. For the last 10 years, we have captured Taliban and al-Qaeda in their hundreds - more than any other countries put together."
The compound is just a few hundred metres from the Pakistan Military Academy - the country's equivalent of West Point or Sandhurst.

The ISI official also gave new or differing accounts of some of the events of Sunday's raid. They included:
* There were 17-18 people in the compound at the time of the attack
* The Americans took away one person still alive, possibly a Bin Laden son
* Those who survived the attack included a wife, a daughter and eight to nine other children, not apparently Bin Laden's; all had their hands tied by the Americans
* The surviving Yemeni wife said they had moved to the compound a few months ago
* Bin Laden's daughter, aged 12 or 13, saw her father shot

The official said it was thought the Americans wanted to take away the surviving women and children but had to abandon the plan when one of the helicopters malfunctioned.

The helicopter was destroyed by the special forces unit.

The US has not commented on anyone it captured or had planned to capture, other than saying it had taken Bin Laden's body.

The ISI official said the organisation had recovered some documents from the compound.

The CIA is already said to be going through a large number of hard drives and storage devices seized in the raid.

The White House has not disclosed whether anyone has claimed the $25m (£15m) reward for leading the US to Bin Laden.

White House counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan said there had been concern Pakistani forces would deploy to counter the US Navy Seal team conducting the raid but it had avoided any confrontation.

The ISI official said: "We were totally caught by surprise. They were in and out before we could react."
Our correspondent says residents near the compound in Abbottabad reported that Pakistani soldiers had asked them to switch off their lights an hour before the attack, but the ISI official said this was not true and that it had no advance knowledge of the raid.
Earlier, in an opinion piece in the Washington Post, President Asif Ali Zardari admitted Bin Laden "was not anywhere we had anticipated he would be".
But he denied the killing suggested Pakistan was failing in its efforts to tackle terrorism.
Mr Zardari said Pakistan had "never been and never will be the hotbed of fanaticism that is often described by the media".
"Such baseless speculation may make exciting cable news, but it doesn't reflect fact," he said.

"Pakistan had as much reason to despise al-Qaeda as any nation. The war on terrorism is as much Pakistan's war as it is America's."

Mr Brennan had said it was "inconceivable that Bin Laden did not have a support system" in Pakistan. He estimated Bin Laden had been living in the compound in Abbottabad for five or six years.

Pakistani Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir tried to draw a line under the matter, saying: "Who did what is beside the point... This issue of Osama Bin Laden is history."

'Geronimo'

Bin Laden was America's most wanted man but had eluded capture for more than a decade.

US officials say that after DNA tests they are "99.9%" sure that the man they shot and killed and later buried at sea was Bin Laden.

The ISI official gave new details of the raid, saying Bin Laden's young daughter had said she saw her father shot.

He told the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in Islamabad that the compound in Abbottabad, just 100km (62 miles) from the capital, was raided when under construction in 2003.

It was believed an al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there.

But since then, "the compound was not on our radar, it is an embarrassment for the ISI", the official said. "We're good, but we're not God."

He added: "This one failure should not make us look totally incompetent. Look at our track record. For the last 10 years, we have captured Taliban and al-Qaeda in their hundreds - more than any other countries put together."

The compound is just a few hundred metres from the Pakistan Military Academy - the country's equivalent of West Point or Sandhurst.

The ISI official also gave new or differing accounts of some of the events of Sunday's raid. They included:

* There were 17-18 people in the compound at the time of the attack
* The Americans took away one person still alive, possibly a Bin Laden son
* Those who survived the attack included a wife, a daughter and eight to nine other children, not apparently Bin Laden's; all had their hands tied by the Americans
* The surviving Yemeni wife said they had moved to the compound a few months ago
* Bin Laden's daughter, aged 12 or 13, saw her father shot

The official said it was thought the Americans wanted to take away the surviving women and children but had to abandon the plan when one of the helicopters malfunctioned.

The helicopter was destroyed by the special forces unit.

The US has not commented on anyone it captured or had planned to capture, other than saying it had taken Bin Laden's body.

The ISI official said the organisation had recovered some documents from the compound.

The CIA is already said to be going through a large number of hard drives and storage devices seized in the raid.

The White House has not disclosed whether anyone has claimed the $25m (£15m) reward for leading the US to Bin Laden.

White House counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan said there had been concern Pakistani forces would deploy to counter the US Navy Seal team conducting the raid but it had avoided any confrontation .........

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Bhaarat

**Julie** · 03 May 11,, 17:36

Originally Posted by troung

Hey my uncle in the ISI said they took out the Mossad team protecting him right before the raid....

pffft.

The foreign ministry said the Pakistani air force scrambled its jets within minutes of being informed of the US operation but there was no engagement with the US forces as they had already left Pakistani airspace.

38 minutes.....just 38 minutes. Incredible.

**antimony** · 03 May 11,, 17:49

Originally Posted by drhuy

so its custom and tradition in Pak to allow ANYBODY to move in and build a fortification right inside an restricted military zone? Then I wonder why Indian didnt already plant some nukes right next to your HVTs. Or maybe they already did

The Indian agents who were responsible for the Samjhauta bombings, 26/11 and myriad other stuff is probably hiding in a nearby compound in Abottabad, in another of those houses which were vetted way back in 2003, probably playing cards with Elvis and the real killer of JFK.

It just seems logical now, jus' saying

**Red Seven** · 03 May 11,, 17:51

Originally Posted by Albany Rifles

...it would have been easier with an assistance from the Pak forces...that goes without saying...

I'm not so sure it would have, AR...extremely limited need-to-know and only cooperation from a few key individuals when you know you are dealing with people of conflicting loyalties...there's a lot to be said for sudden, surprise, direct action and keeping the non-professionals in the dark and at arm's length.

**Red Seven** · 03 May 11,, 17:57

The ISI official said the organisation had recovered some documents from the compound.

Anything of valued was extracted. The documents the ISI says it "recovered" were grocery lists and UBL's porno collection.

**Hilal123** · 03 May 11,, 18:00

I’m amazed at the stupidity of claims that the black hawks flew in , hovered for 40 minutes or so and then flew back without the knowledge of the Pakistani authorities that too only at half past midnight ... lol
This story is just insane,
Let’s do another quick add up , what’s the max speed of the black hawk hmmm 184 mph or so , now I calculated that straight out from Bagram to Abbotabad the distance is 200 nautical miles

A nautical mile is bit more than the statue mile so after they heli flew in apparently undetected and after the first bang it did its act 40 minutes then even at top speed to get out of Pakistan back into a'stan it would take more than an hour so we are looking at close to 2 hours worth of time post detection due to the loud explosions even if we buy the radar evasion story )
I mean what world do you guys live in?
If this was a forced intrusion and the Pakistanis didn’t know about it, there is absolutely no way they would rick going in only light assault weapons , they would come in with a lot more firepower.
It was a pre-arranged deal that’s why they came in only with helis and no air cover.
This was all pre-planned with finer deals like city blackouts already worked out, the official American narrative has been proven to be in accurate in the past also and this time also this looks like a cooked up story like the killing of that foot ball player and cover up afterward or the saving of Jessica Lynch

**DV RULES** · 03 May 11,, 18:06

PR. NO.152/2011

Date: 03/05/2011

Death of Osama bin Ladin-Respect for Pakistan’s Established Policy Parameters on Counter Terrorism

The Government of Pakistan recognizes that the death of Osama bin Ladin is an important milestone in fight against terrorism and that the Government of Pakistan and its state institutions have been making serious efforts to bring him to justice.

However, the Government of Pakistan categorically denies the media reports suggesting that its leadership, civil as well as military, had any prior knowledge of the US operation against Osama bin Ladin carried out in the early hours of 2nd May 2011.

Abbottabad and the surrounding areas have been under sharp focus of intelligence agencies since 2003 resulting in highly technical operation by ISI which led to the arrest of high value Al Qaeda target in 2004. As far as the target compound is concerned, ISI had been sharing information with CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies since 2009. The intelligence flow indicating some foreigners in the surroundings of Abbottabad, continued till mid April 2011. It is important to highlight that taking advantage of much superior technological assets, CIA exploited the intelligence leads given by us to identify and reach Osama bin Ladin, a fact also acknowledged by the US President and Secretary of State, in their statements. It is also important to mention that CIA and some other friendly intelligence agencies have benefitted a great deal from the intelligence provided by ISI. ISI’s own achievements against Al Qaeda and in War on Terror are more than any other intelligence agency in the World.

Reports about US helicopters taking off from Ghazi Airbase are absolutely false and incorrect. Neither any base or facility inside Pakistan was used by the US Forces, nor Pakistan Army provided any operational or logistic assistance to these operations conducted by the US Forces. US helicopters entered Pakistani airspace making use of blind spots in the radar coverage due to hilly terrain. US helicopters’ undetected flight into Pakistan was also facilitated by the mountainous terrain, efficacious use of latest technology and ‘nap of the earth’ flying techniques. It may not be realistic to draw an analogy between this undefended civilian area and some military / security installations which have elaborate local defence arrangements.

On receipt of information regarding the incident, PAF scrambled its jets within minutes. This has been corroborated by the White House Advisor Mr John Brennan who while replying to a question said, “We didn’t contact the Pakistanis until after all of our people, all of our aircraft were out of Pakistani airspace. At the time, the Pakistanis were reacting to an incident that they knew was taking place in Abbottabad. Therefore, they were scrambling some of their assets. Clearly, we were concerned that if the Pakistanis decided to scramble jets or whatever else, they didn’t know who were on those jets. They had no idea about who might have been on there, whether it be US or somebody else. So, we were watching and making sure that our people and our aircraft were able to get out of Pakistani airspace. And thankfully, there was no engagement with Pakistani forces. This operation was designed to minimize the prospects, the chances of engagement with Pakistani forces. It was done very well, and thankfully no Pakistani forces were engaged and there were no other individuals who were killed aside from those on the compound.”

There has been a lot of discussion about the nature of the targeted compound, particularly its high walls and its vicinity to the areas housing Pakistan Army elements. It needs to be appreciated that many houses occupied by the affectees of operations in FATA / KPK, have high boundary walls, in line with their culture of privacy and security. Houses with such layout and structural details are not a rarity.

Questions have also been asked about the whereabouts of the family members of Osama bin Ladin. They are all in safe hands and being looked after in accordance with law. Some of them needing medical care are under treatment in the best possible facilities. As per policy, they will be handed over to their countries of origin.

Notwithstanding the above, the Government of Pakistan expresses its deep concerns and reservations on the manner in which the Government of the United States carried out this operation without prior information or authorization from the Government of Pakistan.

This event of unauthorized unilateral action cannot be taken as a rule. The Government of Pakistan further affirms that such an event shall not serve as a future precedent for any state, including the US. Such actions undermine cooperation and may also sometime constitute threat to international peace and security.

Pakistan, being mindful of its international obligations, has been extending full and proper cooperation on all counter terrorism efforts including exchange of information and intelligence. Pursuant to such cooperation, Pakistan had arrested several high profile terrorists.

The Government of Pakistan and its Armed Forces consider support of the people of Pakistan to be its mainstay and actual strength. Any actions contrary to their aspirations, therefore, run against the very basis on which the edifice of national defence and security is based. Pakistan Army and intelligence agencies have played a pivotal role in breaking the back of Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations in Pakistan as well as around the World. Most of the successes achieved by the US and some other friendly countries have been the result of effective intelligence cooperation and extremely useful military support by Pakistan. The Government of Pakistan and its security forces have resolved to continue their fight against terrorism till people of Pakistan can live in peace and security.

Islamabad 03 May 2011

Ministry of Foreign Affairs

It shows US's poor attitude toward sovereignty of other countries and openly violating international boundary rules. So what US think after that will he get support of Pakistan's military establishment in its WOT when their ally conducting operation without any prior notice or information? What force US not to carry joint operation? After all US put itself in more troubles in Afghanistan & he has to forget that there will be any operation in N.Waziristan.

US indirectly give idea to India how to attack and this is what obama told in his speech about cooperation & blah blah blah. Shortly US shows that at the end they have no respect for Pakistan where Pakistan arrested more hardliner extremists of AQ & handed over to US in past.
So what you are expecting from people of Pakistan by these offensive actions against sovereignty of Pakistan?

Ok, you killed this terrorist, be happy. What next?
Obama will get people support for upcoming elections? or will screw his nation saying that WE ARE ROPE LESS & ATTACK OVER TERRITORY WHERE WE WANT?
Problem is not going to end, but you created more problems, security instability for Pakistan & region.
These are Pakistani people facing suicide attacks, bomb blasts, terrorists acts but not American sitting god damn 10 000 KM away along Atlantic ocean.
policies which continuing in Afghanistan or drones attacks in Waziristan if will remain same then not respectable way for US to pull its army.

What my point is,
There should be adopt proper & legal way of carrying operation respecting boundaries of Pakistan not important how secret operation is.

**IHM** · 03 May 11,, 18:07

Pakistani Professor-- Pervaiz Hoodbhoy-- writes:

"Bin Laden was the ‘Golden Goose’ that the army had kept under its watch but which, to its chagrin, has now been stolen from under its nose. Until then, the thinking had been to trade in the Goose at the right time for the right price, either in the form of dollars or political concessions. "

Eye-opening Article:

The curious case of Osama bin Laden
By Pervez Hoodbhoy

Osama bin Laden, the figurehead king of al Qaeda, is gone. His hosts are still rubbing their eyes and wondering how it all happened. Although scooped up from Pakistani soil, shot in the head and then buried at sea, the event was not announced by General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani or by President Asif Ali Zardari. Instead, it was the president of the United States of America who told the world that bin Laden’s body was in the custody of US forces.Suggestions that Pakistan played a significant role ring hollow. President Obama, in his televised speech on May 1, said “our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden”. But no sooner had he stopped speaking that his top national security aides declared that the United States had not told Pakistani leaders about the raid ahead of time. Significantly, Obama did not thank Pakistan. An American official pointedly declared that the information leading to bin Laden’s killing was shared “with no other country” and this top secret operation was such that “only a very small group of people inside our own government knew of this operation in advance”.

Today, Pakistan’s embarrassment is deep. On numerous occasions, our military and civilian leaders had emphatically stated that bin Laden was not in Pakistan. Some suggested that he might be in Sudan or Somalia. Others hinted that he might already have died from a kidney ailment, or perhaps that he was in some intractable area, protected by nature and terrain and thus outside the effective control of the Pakistani state.

But then it turned out bin Laden was not hiding in some dark mountain cave in Waziristan. Instead, probably for at least some years, he had lived comfortably smack inside the modern, peaceful, and extraordinarily secure city of Abbottabad. Using Google Earth, one sees that the deceased was within easy walking distance of the famed Pakistan Military Academy at Kakul. It is here where General Kayani had declared on April 23 that “the terrorist’s backbone has been broken and inshallah we will soon prevail”. Kayani has released no statement after the killing.

Still more intriguing are pictures and descriptions of bin Laden’s fortress house. Custom-designed, it was constructed on a plot of land roughly eight times larger than the other homes in the area. Television images show that it has high walls, barbed wire and two security gates. Who approved the construction and paid for it? Why was it allowed to be away from the prying eyes of the secret agencies?

Even the famous and ferocious General Hamid Gul (retd) — a bin Laden sympathiser who advocates war with America — cannot buy into the claim that the military was unaware of bin Laden’s whereabouts. In a recorded interview, he remarked that bin Laden being in Abbottabad unknown to authorities “is a bit amazing”. Aside from the military, he said “there is the local police, the Intelligence Bureau, the Military Intelligence, the ISI — they all had a presence there”. Pakistanis familiar with the intrusive nature of the multiple intelligence agencies will surely agree; to sniff out foreigners is a pushover.
So why was bin Laden sheltered in the army’s backyard? General Pervez Musharraf, who was army chief when bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad was being constructed in 2005, unwittingly gives us the clearest and most cogent explanation. The back cover of his celebrated book, In The Line Of Fire, written in 2006, reads:

“Since shortly after 9/11 — when many al Qaeda leaders fled Afghanistan and crossed the border into Pakistan — we have played multiple games of cat and mouse with them. The biggest of them all, Osama bin Laden, is still at large at the time of this writing but we have caught many, many others. We have captured 672 and handed over 369 to the United States. We have earned bounties totalling millions of dollars. Here, I will tell the story of just a few of the most significant manhunts”.
So, at the end of the day, it was precisely that: A cat and mouse game. Bin Laden was the ‘Golden Goose’ that the army had kept under its watch but which, to its chagrin, has now been stolen from under its nose. Until then, the thinking had been to trade in the Goose at the right time for the right price, either in the form of dollars or political concessions. While bin Laden in virtual captivity had little operational value for al Qaeda, he still had enormous iconic value for the Americans. It was therefore expected that kudos would come just as in the case of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Kuwaiti-born senior al Qaeda leader who was arrested in Rawalpindi, or Mullah Baradar, the Taliban leader arrested from Karachi.

Events, however, have turned a potential asset into a serious liability. Osama’s killing is now a bone stuck in the throat of Pakistan’s establishment that can neither be swallowed nor spat out. To appear joyful would infuriate the Islamists who are already fighting the state. On the other hand, to deprecate the killing would suggest that Pakistan had knowingly hosted the king of terrorists.

Now, with bin Laden gone, the military has two remaining major strategic assets: America’s weakness in Afghanistan and Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. But moving these chess pieces around will not assure the peace and prosperity that we so desperately need. They will not solve our electricity or water crises, move us out of dire economic straits, or protect us from suicide bombers.

Bin Laden’s death should be regarded as a transformational moment by Pakistan and its military. It is time to dispense with the Musharraf-era cat and mouse games. We must repudiate the current policy of verbally condemning jihadism — and actually fighting it in some places — but secretly supporting it in other places. Until the establishment firmly resolves that it shall not support armed and violent non-state actors of any persuasion — including the Lashkar-e-Taiba — Pakistan will remain in interminable conflict both with itself and with the world.

Published in The Express Tribune, May 4th, 2011.

Link: The curious case of Osama bin Laden – The Express Tribune

**Red Seven** · 03 May 11,, 18:09

Originally Posted by Hilal123

I’m amazed...

You should be. Special operations at the advanced level of DevGru and SFOD-Delta are amazing.

**Tronic** · 03 May 11,, 18:10

^ A flag just changed from Pakistani to Russian.

Pakistanis simply cannot digest the fact that they have been caught with their pants down. America nailed Bin Laden, without letting them know, it won't go down too easily for them. And that culture of denial is still alive and kicking:

Mr Zardari said Pakistan had "never been and never will be the hotbed of fanaticism that is often described by the media".
"Such baseless speculation may make exciting cable news, but it doesn't reflect fact," he said.

**gunnut** · 03 May 11,, 18:18

Originally Posted by classical1939

Another white-knuckle moment – at the end of the operation, Pakistan’s military scrambled fighter jets looking for the US helicopters. Who knows what could have happened if the Pakistani planes had reached the US helicopters -- but they didn’t.

Some White Knuckle Moments for Elite Navy SEALs Team - Political Punch

Hmmm...very peculiar... Why would Pakistan scramble fighter jets looking for someone they already knew was there and gave tacit approval to be there?

**Chogy** · 03 May 11,, 18:21

I’m amazed at the stupidity of claims that the black hawks flew in...

You are a perfect example of someone who believes their airspace is "impenetrable. Secure. Airtight. Guarded. Inviolable."

Tell me please about pulsed-doppler search radars typical of AD systems and interceptors. Do you understand how they operate? Do you realize that terrain masking is bead & butter for elite forces like this? Do you understand that airborne radars like those on an F-16 (assuming any were airborne at 0100) simply cannot see slow-moving helicopters?

I've noticed that many people in this thread refer to "Rambo" imagery as silly and childish. I maintain that Rambo is more realistic, more probable, than the notion that hundreds of thousands of cubic kilometers of airspace is somehow impossible to penetrate.

Nations maintain large and expensive air forces. If all one needed was radars and SAM batteries, air forces would be obsolete. Of course, they are not.

**NeilE** · 03 May 11,, 18:28

General Hamid Gul, former director of Pakistan's ISI is on Al Jazeera now saying that the American's had found a way to evade Pakistan's radar using new technology.

**gunnut** · 03 May 11,, 18:30

Originally Posted by Double Edge

Do tell.

Osama bin Laden dead: code name Geronimo

Answers.com - Why do people yell Geronimo when they jump off something

Seal Team 6 was supposed to rappel down a rope from their helos. They will conduct their daring mission without fear.

Military like to use words with double meanings. MOAB officially means "massive ordinance air blast." But we all know it means "mother of all bombs."