Osama Bin Laden is dead and his corpse is in US hands.

**classical1939** · 03 May 11,, 10:37

Originally Posted by Eyewatch

& How long the most corrupted institution on the earth-- CIA-- could lie to the world, this is near to reality.

Get some knowlage about your saint America who supported AQ & OBL more than any, used for its war mongering habbits.
Pakistan acted more honestly to locate and sent to hell this main terrorist OBL.

OBL yes.. AQ no... and then it was a war against people prepared to defend themselves... not against civilians..

as of now there r not many reports as to how pakistan and isi helped in the capture of OBL. however most ppl are inclined to believe sources without history doing flip-flops in their statements..........

now whose fault is that?

**DV RULES** · 03 May 11,, 10:41

Guard kills bin Laden, sources say

Tuesday May 3 , 2011 12:07:02 PM

ABBOTTABAD: Osama bin Laden was not killed by the US troops during a midnight raid at his compound in Abbottabad but his body guard killed him to save him from arrested alive, sources said.

The officials reached the compound immediately after the US operation said they did not found signs of resistance at any place. The signs indicate that the bullet was pumped his head from a close place, officials said.

The US helicopters came to the scene in the midnight raid, participated by 25 Navy and CIA officials and cleared the place within 40 minutes, they added.

Guard kills bin Laden, sources say,5/3/2011 2:41:54 PM

Scene will be clear after some time, what really happened there.

**n21** · 03 May 11,, 10:43

Originally Posted by notorious_eagle

Just talked to a friend whose brother lives in Abbottabad. According to him during the operation, Pakistan Army had sealed off the area and had cut of the power supply. Houses whom were equipped with generators were told to turn off their lights, lock their doors and the reason given was that Pakistan Army was going to conduct a major exercise. A.M just posted the eye witness accounts so i guess this confirms whatever my friend told me.

This was done after PA was told about the ops. The first indication of the ops was given by the IT chap who was tweeting realtime.

His first tweet ,he was wanted to use a huge fly swatter as choppers were disturbing his sleep. he had no idea what was going on.

Needless to say he had to have power to use his internet.

He also stopped tweeting for a while and later reported that he had to wait for the power to come back.

As far as the CT about where the choppers came from , let me add mine.
It came from India. Abbotabad is so close to the Indian border and a perfect path as the whole way is full of mountains.Very easy to evade radars. There you go. My own CT!

**Julie** · 03 May 11,, 10:45

Originally Posted by Hilal123

The above is the hyped up US version of events, there are some survivors who are in custody now so we'll know in a day or two about what went on during the attack and who all were in the compound.

Bin Laden is dead for sure , whether the events around his death are going to deliver death blow to fast deteriorating PAK-US relations is what will matter from here on.

Pak-US relations? I'm more concerned about the billion dollars we are sending over there on a yearly basis. No need to do that anymore....probably shouldn't have been doing it before.

**Officer of Engineers** · 03 May 11,, 10:54

Originally Posted by Eyewatch

& How long the most corrupted institution on the earth-- CIA-- could lie to the world, this is near to reality.

Get some knowlage about your saint America who supported AQ & OBL more than any, used for its war mongering habbits.
Pakistan acted more honestly to locate and sent to hell this main terrorist OBL.

Any facts to support this accusation that is denied by both OBL and the CIA?

**Hilal123** · 03 May 11,, 10:54

Originally Posted by Julie

Pak-US relations? I'm more concerned about the billion dollars we are sending over there on a yearly basis. No need to do that anymore....probably shouldn't have been doing it before.

I think your gov is not so naieve that they will gift away billions of dollars to a state that by and large has an unfavourable view in your country.
For anything that the US has given , they have extracted their pound of flesh.

**classical1939** · 03 May 11,, 10:59

Originally Posted by Hilal123

I think your gov is not so naieve that they will gift away billions of dollars to a state that by and large has an unfavourable view in your country.
For anything that the US has given , they have extracted their pound of flesh.

of course it has.. and it will... but even as it is isnt it your own internal security problem? tat ppl like OBL are living in your country isnt a failure for your security forces? y do you need other ppls money to clean up your own house?

**Hilal123** · 03 May 11,, 11:00

We'll wait for more details to come out but one possibility is that its entirely possible that people within the intel setup of Pakistan knew where bin laden was and they decided to give him on a platter to the US and let there be some cooling off and between what had been going between the US and Pakistan over the last month in which the Chief's of the Armed forces were giving out very public statements against each other.

Like they say sticks and stones may break my bones but what CNN, FOX,BBC,guardian and indian channels say is not going to hurt

**Hilal123** · 03 May 11,, 11:19

Originally Posted by classical1939

of course it has.. and it will... but even as it is isnt it your own internal security problem? tat ppl like OBL are living in your country isnt a failure for your security forces? y do you need other ppls money to clean up your own house?

we live in trecherous neighbourhood and the security issues in the region did not start after 9/11 , they go back much further and we did not create any of these security issues we only dealt with them .. as we are doing now also.

**tankie** · 03 May 11,, 11:19

You missed out the BBC .

**n21** · 03 May 11,, 11:22

Originally Posted by Hilal123

We'll wait for more details to come out but one possibility is that its entirely possible that people within the intel setup of Pakistan knew where bin laden was and they decided to give him on a platter to the US and let there be some cooling off and between what had been going between the US and Pakistan over the last month in which the Chief's of the Armed forces were giving out very public statements against each other.

Like they say sticks and stones may break my bones but what CNN, FOX,guardian and indian channels say is not going to hurt

Right ISI handed OBL on a platter in Abbotabad, near a PA academy! and they did even think about the PR disaster that would follow!

I dont think they are that stupid. If ISI wanted to hand over OBL, they would have send OBL somewhere near Afghanistan and then informed US. Would also prove what Pak always "claim about OBL in Afghanistan".

**classical1939** · 03 May 11,, 11:27

Some White Knuckle Moments for Elite Navy SEALs Team - Political Punch

The Navy SEALs team that conducted this operation was the legendary Team Six, aka DevGru, or the “Naval Special Warfare Development Group,” flown into Pakistan by helicopter teams from the 160th Special Operations Air Regiment, part of the Joint Special Operations Command.

The original plan was for the Navy SEALs to rappel down into the compound, and that’s how they practiced it in April on a replica of the compound the military constructed in the U.S. on which SEALs Team Six conducted two practice runs.

But Sunday, one of the helicopters had an issue – they’re not sure what as of now – and conducted a soft crash landing. The chopper hit the deck – “it was a real white-knuckle moment,” a US official tells ABC News.

Another white-knuckle moment – at the end of the operation, Pakistan’s military scrambled fighter jets looking for the US helicopters. Who knows what could have happened if the Pakistani planes had reached the US helicopters -- but they didn’t.

The US team got back to Afghanistan by around 5:45 pm ET.

This operation happened, an official said, because of dogged, relentless intelligence work. For years, from detainees at Gitmo, the CIA had the nom de guerre of the courier, but they didn’t have his true name until 2007.

Intel spotted him in early 2009 – it took a while to follow him . Last August when intel found the compound the reaction was along the lines of “Oh my God who are they hiding here?” a official said, recalling definite recognition this was a significant find. Congressional leaders were briefed about the compound in December.

One possible complication: While CIA contractor Ray Davis was in the Pakistani prison there were concerns about his safety were this mission to be conducted.

Davis’s March 16 release cleared that possible obstacle to the operation -- a kill mission, with the clear objective to kill bin Laden.

-Jake Tapper

**Hilal123** · 03 May 11,, 11:55

Originally Posted by n21

Right ISI handed OBL on a platter in Abbotabad, near a PA academy! and they did even think about the PR disaster that would follow!

I dont think they are that stupid. If ISI wanted to hand over OBL, they would have send OBL somewhere near Afghanistan and then informed US. Would also prove what Pak always "claim about OBL in Afghanistan".

From PR point of view a lot has already gone against Pakistan so I think they took a calculated risk in letting this operation go ahead... Having seen that building in Pakistani news reports it just not missable.

If the intelligence didn’t own the building , you can bet it was under heavy surveillance , the intelligence in our country even monitors activities of family members of armed forces personal so there is no way they would miss such a big bulls eye of building and not know what’s going on there.

If the Intel owned the building then still they must have known who as in it, either way , its quite likely that the intelligence knew who the occupants were.

I’m a witness to the negotiation skills of the ISI .. Some of it is downright dirty .. so it wouldn’t surprise me that they have got some concessions out of the United states in return for the go ahead for this operation

For now there will be a lot of huffing and puffing that will go on over bin laden getting killed in Pakistan but in about 3 months time we'll start to see changes in the US policy with regards to Pakistan

**citanon** · 03 May 11,, 12:26

Originally Posted by Hilal123

From PR point of view a lot has already gone against Pakistan so I think they took a calculated risk in letting this operation go ahead... Having seen that building in Pakistani news reports it just not missable.

If the intelligence didn’t own the building , you can bet it was under heavy surveillance , the intelligence in our country even monitors activities of family members of armed forces personal so there is no way they would miss such a big bulls eye of building and not know what’s going on there.

If the Intel owned the building then still they must have known who as in it, either way , its quite likely that the intelligence knew who the occupants were.

I’m a witness to the negotiation skills of the ISI .. Some of it is downright dirty .. so it wouldn’t surprise me that they have got some concessions out of the United states in return for the go ahead for this operation

For now there will be a lot of huffing and puffing that will go on over bin laden getting killed in Pakistan but in about 3 months time we'll start to see changes in the US policy with regards to Pakistan

I doubt they gave their approval. If they did it would not have been done in Abbotabad. If they allowed it done in Abbottabad it wouldn't have been a house 1/2 mile away from the military academy. If they allowed the operation to take place in that location they would not approve of saying that Bin Laden was there for possibly years. If.....

Well you see where I'm going. Too many improbables, too many unnecessary risks, and too many alternatives that would have avoided this much embarassment.

Now you have to weigh that against the possibility of the nearby military garrisons not being able to put together an effective response in 47 min. In the US you would not be able to put together a force to dislodge armed bank robbers in 47 min. It took me more than 10 min to compose this post. If you are the Pakistani commander on site, you'd have to realize that very heavily armed guys in helicopters were attacking your town, then verify that they were NOT other elements of the Pakistani military, or ISI, or an approved joint operation with the US. That means phone calls to powerful people who might not be awake this early in the morning. Once you've figured out it IS the US conducting a possibly unauthorized raid, someone above the local commander's pay grade would have to make a policy decision as to what to do. Then you have to come up with a plan, conduct surveillance, and try to figure out what to do. Could that take longer than 47 min? Heck yea it could. What did the Army do in the mean time? It set up a perimeter and told the residents to be quiet, stay inside and turn off their lights, until they can figure out what is going on. Of course, by then, the SEALS were gone.

At the end of the day this may be a plus, at least initially, for Pakistan's strategy. The downside of getting caught with the ISI's pants down is outweighed by the upside of having Bin Laden disappear as an anchor for the US, and for people eager to start playing the great game in Afghanistan without the nuisance of a superpower interloper, this could be a good day after all. You want us to leave and we don't much want to stick around. Bin Laden was getting in the way of both parties getting what they want. Now that he's gone your wishes may come true. Of course, the price for Pakistan's grand designs, is the unpredictable risks of harboring the viper in her bosom. Good luck with that.

**Julie** · 03 May 11,, 12:28

Originally Posted by Hilal123

we live in trecherous neighbourhood and the security issues in the region did not start after 9/11 , they go back much further and we did not create any of these security issues we only dealt with them .. as we are doing now also.

But I read where this compound was in a "prominent" upscale neighborhood surrounded by many retired ISI military. How could military professionals miss an assessment of such a large compound with 15'-18' foot walls with barbwire? The military was either paid lots of money to look the other way, or they are very poor soldiers. Not good either way.

The building was built in 2005 and was in the name of Osama's two brothers. Pakistan did not "offer him up" the tip came from a gitmo detainee regarding the courier, and it took two more years to track the courier, which led the US there by a phone call the courier made.