Osama Bin Laden is dead and his corpse is in US hands.

**Dago** · 03 May 11,, 01:15

Originally Posted by Hilal123

If the chopper was downed by Pakistani fire .. dont you think the American people have a right to know ?
If it crashed for any other reason dont you think that the American people need to know why it crashed ?
Whats the offical word about the fate of this chopper ?

The point you dont get is .. that your government isnt telling you the whole truth , no bin laden dead body , no word about the obvious chopper crash .. there is a cover up and you cant see through it.

Ok, Bin laden is still alive and it's a conspiracy theory! MARK THIS POST! The conspiracy officially starts with Mr Hilal123 - Post 805275.

**Stitch** · 03 May 11,, 01:19

I'm going with the Area 51 theory; after all, that's where JFK is (yes, JFK is still alive & well in Area 51!).

**Hilal123** · 03 May 11,, 01:23

Originally Posted by Dago

Ok, Bin laden is still alive and it's a conspiracy theory! MARK THIS POST! The conspiracy officially starts with Mr Hilal123 - Post 805275.

He died a long time back ...

**Dago** · 03 May 11,, 01:24

Originally Posted by gunnut

I'm not saying the civilians gossipping. I'm talking about a mysterious compound being constructed next to a military academy. Someone knows something there. Not only that, there are a lot of retired military types gathered in that area. You think all of them just sort of turn the other way without questioning? Over the course of 6 years?

Pakistani military/intelligence/government is either in on it (sheltering bin Laden) or completely inept (unlikely).

If Pakistani military is completely out of the loop with regards to the American raid, then I can accept the fact that it *may* not know about Osama pitching a tent next to the army academy.

If Pakistani military can detect and react (or choose not to react) in real time with regards to the American raid, then I have a hard time believing it was not sheltering Osama.

You can't have both.

The people, truly that wanted to help Osama, would not have wanted it to become widespread, so I don't see Government support likely. The Government is split. There is a part of the Government that does in fact go after these groups, and it is the ISI, that want to eliminate AQ. But then you have some, that are older school, from days in Afghanistan, that sympathizes with AQ and Bin Laden. And these are both members of Military and ISI. It could be anyone. I don't believe this was some sort of conspiracy theory, and using Bin Laden as a proxy against India or western interests etc... . But was there one, two..a few ex-Pakistani officials? That thought to themselfs, how easy it could be too put up Bin laden in a compound, and keep him under wraps under everyone's nose?

It's risky. But if there were ISI, or ex ISI that aided, I am sure they wanted to keep a distance.

**zraver** · 03 May 11,, 01:25

Originally Posted by Dago

Or you can go with the theory, that the compound walls, prevented enough air for lift, and that it remained grounded and they blew it up.

I do not buy mechanical failure. I also don't buy that his two couriers would of been able to take down a chopper.

Honestly looking at where the tail rotor is I am guessign the well known depth perception issues related to NVG's lead to the pilot setting the tail down on the wall thus crippling the aircraft.

**rj1** · 03 May 11,, 01:28

To all Pakistani posters that think it's perfectly acceptable that the Pakistani military had no idea Osama bin Laden was a mile away from their military academy, let's switch around the positions and you answer this question:

-an Indian radical in June 2004 set off a bomb at the National Cricket Stadium in Karachi during a test between the Pakistani and Bangladeshi cricket teams, thousands dead
-Pakistan's ISI and military seek this man out all over the earth to bring retribution for the crimes he's done
-the U.S. promises to help Pakistan look for this man as an ally, in the meantime there's grumbling from the Pakistani side over what this help really is
-turns out the Indian radical had been living in Georgetown, a rich neighborhood of Washington, D.C., and only a couple or so miles away from the Pentagon

How many Pakistanis would not believe the U.S. was harboring this person that inflicted so much harm to the Pakistani people and nation?

I agree with gunnut here, you can't be smart when it suits your argument (we deployed instantaneously at the first sound of shots, we're that good) and then be dumb when it suits your argument (bin Laden was in that house? we had no idea...).

**Dago** · 03 May 11,, 01:28

Originally Posted by Hilal123

He died a long time back ...

And he was kept of the thought of being alive, to support Military action in the middle east? Even though, him still being alive, could drive to recruit more terrorists? Or maybe, if you seen the movie Jackal, we killed the real Osama, and we put in a plant! An operative running AQ! So this guy would be an informant and feed us information without them knowing he was OBL! So we got all the intelligence on the organization! And eliminated it! etc etc etc....

**Dago** · 03 May 11,, 01:29

Originally Posted by zraver

Honestly looking at where the tail rotor is I am guessign the well known depth perception issues related to NVG's lead to the pilot setting the tail down on the wall thus crippling the aircraft.

Possibly. It was a tight space. But it was a fact, the seals didn't rope down, they got off.

**Stitch** · 03 May 11,, 01:33

Originally Posted by Dago

Possibly. It was a tight space. But it was a fact, the seals didn't rope down, they got off.

I'll bet they got off of that helo in a hurry!

Anybody know why they DIDN'T fast-rope? Seems they would've wanted to do that initially, then set down at the pick-up point. The only helo that's any good at direct insertion is the MH-6; the MH-60 is a little on the big side for DI.

**astralis** · 03 May 11,, 01:42

taiwanese TV take on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDyrkU0WAQ

**Hilal123** · 03 May 11,, 01:42

Originally Posted by Dago

And he was kept of the thought of being alive, to support Military action in the middle east? Even though, him still being alive, could drive to recruit more terrorists? Or maybe, if you seen the movie Jackal, we killed the real Osama, and we put in a plant! An operative running AQ! So this guy would be an informant and feed us information without them knowing he was OBL! So we got all the intelligence on the organization! And eliminated it! etc etc etc....

Bin Laden had become a frail old man with kidney disease who died a long time back , He's dead and gone .. never to come back. yet he was built into some kind of a super villan.

If indeed he was killed now then why there has been no showing of bin laden's dead body ? there could at least be some visual evidence

The dead bodies of Saddam's sons were washed and even shaven! and stitched up to convincingly tell the world that these guys are dead so why not for the biggest catch ?

But the events that happened in the last 24/48 hours could have a much wider implications

The question about 'Did Pakistan know where he was/ Were they in on this or not' serves only one purpose and that is to use the bin laden club to pressurize us into falling in line with the american world view ..in wihch the US has a free hand to operate in Pakistan as they like.

This drama is far from over .. will be interesting to watch this space over the next few days

**Dago** · 03 May 11,, 01:43

Originally Posted by Stitch

I'll bet they got off of that helo in a hurry!

Anybody know why they DIDN'T fast-rope? Seems they would've wanted to do that initially, then set down at the pick-up point. The only helo that's any good at direct insertion is the MH-6; the MH-60 is a little on the big side for DI.

You would think thats standard procedure. Maybe they thought it would take too long and they would be vulnerable. I have no idea. Who makes those type of decisions?

They get the order, the SEALS, and then the Commander plan and executes it?

**rj1** · 03 May 11,, 01:45

Originally Posted by Hilal123

Bin Laden had become a frail old man with kidney disease who died a long time back , He's dead and gone .. never to come back. yet he was built into some kind of a super villan.

If indeed he was killed now then why there has been no showing of bin laden's dead body ? there could at least be some visual evidence

Since you're asking us for evidence, can you provide some evidence for your statement that bin Laden died long ago please?

**Hilal123** · 03 May 11,, 01:55

Originally Posted by rj1

Since you're asking us for evidence, can you provide some evidence for your statement that bin Laden died long ago please?

Iranian radio reported that bin laden died in 2004 [ denied by pentagon ofcourse ]
Pentagon Denies Osama Capture

So really its about whose story is more believable

**gunnut** · 03 May 11,, 01:56

Originally Posted by Stitch

I'm going with the Area 51 theory; after all, that's where JFK is (yes, JFK is still alive & well in Area 51!).

I thought JFK is comatose and kept in the White House basement...

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