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    The coolest part of the entire thread is how Pakistanis claim NOT to know Bin Laden was living in a huge compound with high level security, next to an army academy and a bunch of retired military, yet could detect 4 US helos coming in at 1am into the said compound that they have no idea why it was there.
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    The coolest part of the entire thread is how Pakistanis claim NOT to know Bin Laden was living in a huge compound with high level security, next to an army academy and a bunch of retired military, yet could detect 4 US helos coming in at 1am into the said compound that they have no idea why it was there.
    Could have marched cadets down the street and took him into custody at any point over the last couple of years...

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    Bin Laden's luxury hideout raises questions
    By NAHAL TOOSI and KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Nahal Toosi And Kathy Gannon, Associated Press 8 mins ago

    ABBOTTABAD, Pakistan – Osama bin Laden made his final stand in a small Pakistani city where three army regiments with thousands of soldiers are based not far from the capital — a location that is increasing suspicions in Washington that Islamabad may have been sheltering him.

    The U.S. acted alone in Monday's helicopter raid, did not inform Pakistan until it was over and pointedly did not thank Pakistan at the end of a wildly successful operation. All this suggests more strain ahead in a relationship that was already suffering because of U.S. accusations that the Pakistanis are supporting Afghan militants and Pakistani anger over American drone attacks and spy activity.

    Pakistani intelligence agencies are normally very sharp in sniffing out the presence of foreigners in small cities.

    Sen. Carl Levin, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said bin Laden's location meant Pakistan had "a lot of explaining to do."

    "I think this tells us once again that unfortunately Pakistan at times is playing a double game," said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, a member of the Armed Services Committee.

    A senior Pakistan intelligence official dismissed speculation that bin Laden was being protected.

    "We don't explain it. We just did not know — period," he said, on condition his name not be released to the media.

    Suspicions that Pakistan harbors militants have been a major source of mistrust between the CIA and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI — though the two agencies have cooperated in the arrests of al-Qaida leaders since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, including several in towns and cities outside the border area.

    For years, Western intelligence had said bin Laden was most likely holed up in a cave along the Pakistan-Afghan border, a remote region of soaring mountains and thick forests where the Pakistan army has little presence. But the 10-year hunt for the world's most-wanted man ended in a whitewashed, three-story house in a middle-class area of Abbottabad, a leafy resort city of 400,000 people nestled in pine-forested hills less than 35 miles from the national capital, Islamabad.

    The compound, which an Obama administration official said was "custom built to hide someone of significance," was about a half-mile (one kilometer) away from the Kakul Military Academy, one of several military installations in the bustling, hill-ringed town.

    "Personally I feel that he must have thought it was the safest area," said Asad Munir, a former ISI station chief in the northwest. "Abbottabad is a place no one would expect him to live."

    It was unclear how long bin Laden had been holed up in the house with members of his family. From the outside, the house resembled many others in Pakistan and even had a flag flying from a pole in the garden, apparently a Pakistani one. It had high, barbed-wire topped walls, few windows and was located in a neighborhood of smaller houses, shops, dusty litter-lined streets and empty plots used for growing vegetables.

    Neighbors said large Landcruisers and other expensive cars were seen driving into the compound, but they had no indication that foreigners were living inside. Salman Riaz, a film actor, said that five months ago he and a crew tried to do some filming next to the house, but were told to stop by two men who came out.

    "They told me that this is haram (forbidden in Islam)," he said.

    A video aired by ABC News that purported to show the inside of the compound included footage of disheveled bedrooms with floors stained with large pools of blood and littered with clothes and paper. It also showed a dirt road outside the compound with large white walls on one side and a green agricultural field on the other.

    "Why had Pakistan not spotted he is living in a nice tourist resort just outside Islamabad?" asked Gareth Price, a researcher at Chatham House think-tank in London. "It seems he was being protected by Pakistan. If that is the case, this will be hard for the two sides to carry on working together. Unless Pakistan can explain why they didn't know, it makes relations difficult."

    Relations between Pakistan's main intelligence agency and the CIA had been very strained in recent months after a CIA contractor shot and killed two Pakistanis in January, bringing Pakistani grievances out into the open. Since then, a Pakistani official has said that joint operations had been stopped, and that the agency was demanding the Americans cut down on drone strikes in the border area.

    The U.S. has fired hundreds of drones into the border regions since 2008, taking out senior al-Qaida leaders in a tactic seen by many in Washington as vital to keeping the militant network and allied groups living in safe havens on the back foot.

    While tensions may run high, it is unlikely that either nation could afford to sever the link completely. Pakistan has nuclear weapons, and the U.S. needs Islamabad to begin its withdrawal from Afghanistan this year as planned. Pakistan relies heavily on the United States for military and civilian aid.

    Some of the strongest allegations about ISI involvement in sheltering bin Laden were made in Afghanistan, where President Hamid Karzai has repeatedly said that more of the American focus should be across the border in Pakistan.

    "For years we have said that the fight against terrorism is not in Afghan villages and houses," said Karzai. "It is in safe havens, and today that was shown to be true."

    There was no evidence of direct ISI collusion, and American officials did not make any such allegations.

    "There are a lot of people within the Pakistan government, and I am not going to speculate about who, or if any of them had foreknowledge about bin Laden being in Abbottabad but certainly its location there outside of the capital raises questions," said White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan.

    Some analysts suggested that Pakistan would have little interest in sheltering bin Laden. They contrasted the al-Qaida leader with Afghan Taliban leaders, who Pakistan views as useful allies in Afghanistan once America withdraws. Al-Qaida has carried out scores of attacks inside Pakistan in recent years.

    Last month, Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the U.S. joint chiefs of staff, accused Pakistan's military-run spy service of maintaining links with the Haqqani network, a major Afghan Taliban faction.

    Hours later, a Pakistani army statement rejected what it called "negative propaganda" by the United States, while army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said his troops' multiple offensives against insurgent groups in the northwest are evidence of Pakistan's resolve to defeat terrorism.

    Kayani also told graduating cadets at the Kakul academy that their force had "broken the backbone" of the militants.

    But Pakistan's government and army are very sensitive to concerns that they are working under the orders of America and allowing U.S. forces to operate here. One Islamist party staged a protest against bin Laden's killing, but there was no sign of a major reaction on the Pakistani street.

    "Down with America! Down with Obama!" shouted more than 100 people in the southwestern city of Quetta. "Jihad, jihad the only treatment for America!"

    The Pakistani Taliban, an al-Qaida-allied group behind scores of bloody attacks in Pakistan and the failed bombing in New York's Times Square, vowed revenge.

    "Let me make it very clear that we will avenge the martyrdom of Osama bin Laden, and we will do it by carrying out attacks in Pakistan and America," Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan told The Associated Press by phone. "We will teach them an exemplary lesson."

    The U.S. closed its embassy in Islamabad and its consulates in the cities of Lahore, Karachi and Peshawar on Monday for fear of unrest.

    Many Pakistanis doubted the U.S. account of the raid, with some refusing to believe that bin Laden was dead.

    "It is not possible. Like other incidents, I think this is faked," said Mohammad Bashir, a 45-year-old cab driver in Abbottabad. "It seems that in the coming days, suddenly Osama will come out with a statement."

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    Associated Press writers Zarar Khan in Abbottabad, Munir Ahmed and Chris Brummitt in Islamabad and Rasool Dawar in Peshawar contributed to this report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    Could have marched cadets down the street and took him into custody at any point over the last couple of years...
    The only thing known for certain at the moment was that he's been there since August. Anything beyond that is pure speculation. He could have been there for 8 months, he could have been there for 5-6 years. No one really knows anything concrete yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Seven View Post
    It depends. If there were no "local intel units" and only ISI, which has been most helpful to the Taliban and Al Qaeda over the years, and which is thought to be aiding and abetting Lashkar e-Taiba, then asking too many questions might be a very unhealthy thing to do.
    So that tells that such verifications are a logical thing to do and would not be done only in case either the house is occupied by the local units themselves or the people who need to know, know who is living there and is obviously high valued. This alone tells that ISI and a good number of Certain Key PA men at the top of the table or somewhere between top and middle of the hierarchy knew all along as to who was living there, and that man was living there under the presumption that he would be safe there in their company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    Many Pakistanis doubted the U.S. account of the raid, with some refusing to believe that bin Laden was dead.
    These conspiracy theorists should read carefully what Taliban and TTP are saying "Taliban commander vows to avenge Bin Laden's death".
    Even Taliban has accepted that OBL is done and dusted

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    The Pakistani foreign ministry confirmed the terror leader's death in a statement: "In an intelligence driven operation, Osama bin Laden was killed in the surroundings of Abbotabad in the early hours of this morning. This operation was conducted by the U.S. forces in accordance with declared U.S. policy that Osama bin Laden will be eliminated in a direct action by the U.S. forces, wherever found in the world."

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    And then theres this POS! And one wonders why the US backs Israel in their conflicts?

    Ismail Haniyeh, prime minister for the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip, condemned the killing, describing bin Laden as a Muslim "mujahid" or holy warrior. Al Qaeda and the Islamist radical group Hamas have no official relationship, but the Palestinian conflict with Israel has been the subject of frequent audio messages from al Qaeda.

    Any questions as to Hamas wanting peace?

    The AIR Counsels reactions:

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, released a statement Monday morning welcoming the death of Osama bin Laden: "As we have stated repeatedly since the 9/11 terror attacks, bin Laden never represented Muslims or Islam In fact, in addition to the killing of thousands of Americans, he and Al Qaeda caused the deaths of countless Muslims worldwide. We also reiterate President Obama's clear statement tonight that the United States is not at war with Islam."

    Even the Russians:

    Russia's Foreign Ministry published a statement on its website calling bin Laden's death a "landmark point."

    "The elimination of Osama bin Laden, a notorious figure and the number one terrorist, is a landmark point in fighting international terrorism. This is an extraordinary event for the entire anti-terror coalition which will have a lasting practical meaning in terms of decapitation of the criminal organization," the statement said. "It will become an important symbol since it took place on the eve of the 10th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks in the U.S. As part of the anti-terror coalition, we sympathize with the Americans, and appreciate the fact that the Russian authorities were informed about the news (of bin Laden's elimination) ahead of the official announcement of U.S.President Barack Obama."

    Above all, we would like to emphasize the inevitability of this result: sooner or later bin Laden, (the slain Chechen warlord Shamil) Basayev and their likes, receive retribution. The most important principle in fighting terrorists, as well as criminals in general, is to ensure the responsibility for the crimes. In that respect, the success of the American special forces as well as that of the Russian security forces in the North Caucasus against the emissaries of Al-Quaeda, has a universal significance. This is a clear message that terrorism has no future, and will inevitably be held responsible for the crimes that it committed."

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    I posted about that here, didn't want to detract from this thread.
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    Not wanting to spoil the party but could it be possible for OBL to be alive and in US Custody ? I might be wrong here but what kind of DNA testing gets you result within 24 hours, reading from the reports that the DNA sample was taken post his death-DNA Test done and Sea Burial also done as per extant Islamic Rites of cremation to be done within 24 hours...this leaves the time taken to do DNA testing at about 14-16 hours at the outset ? or am I missing something ?

    Eidt: I however wish that the story be true and he being dead by now

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    Quote Originally Posted by notorious_eagle View Post
    It is in Pakistan's interest to take out Bin Laden and this is exactly what the ISI did in cooperation with the Americans.
    Ok, so why did it take so long and most importantly why now ?

    You've pulled the ace out of your pack and its gone to good cause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    It was indeed in Pakistani interest to get rid of OBL.It will remove the Americans from your backyard.Heartily congratulations.You won(sorta'),the West also won(sorta') while OBL,strangely won as well.Alive he was an embarrassment for his own cause.Now,the ''democratic'' revolutions will have a clearer path,with less chance of intervention against possible fundamentalism.
    Everybody's happy today.Hurrah,hurraah.
    Ah, a second supporting reason to do it. Turning in OBL now signals coming full circle. The grand climax of the whole campaign.

    Everybody happy, heroes ride into the sunset

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    His body was buried at sea
    - to not offend the Islamic religion and by culture to be buried within 24 hours and
    - not to give idiots a place to worship him.

    The only ones worshiping his ass right now are the fish in the sea and even they would probably gag on it.
    I don't buy the first reason, they did not do this with Saddam's sons. Am beginning to get the impression its that second reason they were most concerned with. They did not want to waste any time. If he's left out there for public ID, who eventually gets custody of the body. Which country hosts it and that potentially means you lose control. Best thing is to get rid of it before any questions come up.

    The first reason in this light is just cosmetic dressing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    And no doubt images were taken and more then likely classified immediately
    Why ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    This tells me you dont know much, why would the Democrats even think this would sway politics in America when it was a Republican (Bush) who led this war on terror?

    Do you seriously think this will sway public opinion of Democrats and give them a step up? If so, then its you living the fairy tale, not the people of the US.

    Basically IMO, I think were hearing sour grapes that a murdering bastard like him is dead. Ask all of his victims if they are sorry he's dead. I doubt you find even one that is.
    Does it matter who started it or who 'got the man' which neither Bush nor Clinton managed to do. Story on a news show here earlier was how the biggest winner out of this is Obama, and the good timing just when his ratings were at their lowest.

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    WikiLeaks: Osama bin Laden 'protected' by Pakistani security
    Pakistani security forces allegedly helped Osama bin Laden evade American troops for almost 10 years, according to secret US government files.
    WikiLeaks: Osama bin Laden 'protected' by Pakistani security - Telegraph

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    A segment from Guantanamo detainee Sabar Lal Melma's file, which alleges he worked with the ISID to help members flee Afghanistan after the American bombing began in Afghanistan in October 2001.
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    American diplomats were told that one of the key reasons why they had failed to find bin Laden was that Pakistan’s security services tipped him off whenever US troops approached.

    Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISID) also allegedly smuggled al-Qaeda terrorists through airport security to help them avoid capture and sent a unit into Afghanistan to fight alongside the Taliban.

    The claims, made in leaked US government files obtained by Wikileaks, will add to questions over Pakistan’s capacity to fight al-Qaeda.

    Last year, David Cameron caused a diplomatic furore when he told Pakistan that it could not “look both ways” on terrorism. The Pakistani government issued a strongly-worded rebuttal.

    But bin Laden was eventually tracked down and killed in compound located just a few hundred yards from Pakistan’s prestigious military academy in Abbotabad.

    The raid by elite US troops was kept secret from the government of Pakistan. Only a tight circle within the Obama Administration knew of the operation.

    In December 2009, the government of Tajikistan warned the United States that efforts to catch bin Laden were being thwarted by corrupt Pakistani spies.

    According to a US diplomatic dispatch, General Abdullo Sadulloevich Nazarov, a senior Tajik counterterrorism official, told the Americans that “many” inside Pakistan knew where bin Laden was.

    The document stated: “In Pakistan, Osama Bin Laden wasn’t an invisible man, and many knew his whereabouts in North Waziristan, but whenever security forces attempted a raid on his hideouts, the enemy received warning of their approach from sources in the security forces.”

    Intelligence gathered from detainees at Guantanamo Bay may also have made the Americans wary of sharing their operational plans with the Pakistani government.

    One detainee, Saber Lal Melma, an Afghan whom the US described as a probable facilitator for al-Qaeda, allegedly worked with the ISID to help members flee Afghanistan after the American bombing began in October 2001.

    His US military Guantanamo Bay detainee file, obtained by Wikileaks and seen by The Daily Telegraph, claims he allegedly passed the al-Qaeda Arabs to Pakistani security forces who then smuggled them across the border into Pakistan.

    He was also overheard “bragging about a time when the ISID sent a military unit into Afghanistan, posing as civilians to fight along side the Taliban against US forces”.

    He also allegedly detailed “ISID's protection of Al-Qaida members at Pakistan airports. The ISID members diverted Al-Qaida members through unofficial channels to avoid detection from officials in search of terrorists,” the file claims.

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    Musharraf: Bin Laden mission violated Pakistan
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    Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf on Monday accused the U.S. of violating his country’s sovereignty by sending in special forces to kill Osama bin Laden.

    “American troops coming across the border and taking action in one of our towns, that is Abbottabad, is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan. It is a violation of our sovereignty,” Mr. Musharraf told CNN-IBN, an Indian news channel.

    He added that it would have been “far better if Pakistani Special Services Group had operated and conducted the mission. To that extent, the modality of handling it and executing the operation is not correct.”

    Bin Laden was killed Sunday in a firefight with Navy SEALs in a million-dollar, fortified compound located in an affluent neighborhood in Abbottabad, about a two-hour drive from Pakistan’s capital, Islamabad.

    Senior U.S. officials, who briefed reporters early Monday, said the Obama administration did not inform Pakistani authorities of the mission until after it was concluded.

    Mr. Musharraf said the “lack of trust is very bad.”

    “If two organizations [are] conducting an operation against a common enemy, there has to be trust and confidence in each other,” he said.

    Pakistan is “totally on board” on fighting al Qaeda and Taliban.

    Mr. Musharraf said it was possible that some local Pakistanis had colluded with bin Laden.

    “A battle has been won, but the war continues,” Mr. Musharraf said, warning that “al Qaeda is still there.”

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    Why bury Osama according to islamic tradition? I thought he's not a muslim and doing so would offend muslims.
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    If true then the right move.

    Obama blocked plot to bomb Bin Laden's lair FOUR months ago - because he wanted to have DNA proof he was dead

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    B2 bombing: Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden could have been hit by U.S. war planes in March - but President Obama vetoed the plans

    B2 bombing: Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden could have been hit by U.S. war planes in March - but President Obama vetoed the plans

    Barack Obama vetoed a plan for stealth bombers to blow up Osama Bin Laden's compound in March so special forces could get DNA evidence to confirm he was dead.

    The U.S. President gave the all clear for an air strike on the 54-year-old's hideaway - but backed out.

    Military leaders were going to drop 2,000lb bombs from two B2 stealth bombers on the secure site yards from Pakistan's military academy, sources revealed.

    But Obama told the military to hold off, and instead an elite team American forces killed the terrorist during a firefight.

    The President vetoed the original plan so the U.S. could preserve the terror leader's remains and prove that he had been killed, ABC News reported.

    DNA samples taken from the body showed the man killed was '99.9 per cent certain' to be Bin Laden.

    Detailed photo analysis by the CIA, confirmation by other people at the raid site and matching physical features like bin Laden's height all helped confirmed the identification.

    His body was swiftly dumped at sea so that his burial site did not become a shrine.

    Destroying the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, from the air would have killed all 22 people inside - including women and children potentially sparking an angry backlash from the international community.

    The daring mission to take out the world's most wanted man was finally given the go-ahead last Friday, according to the source.
    Bin Laden's lair: The compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, was half a mile from a military academy. If it had been hit in an air strike there would likely have been civilian casualties

    Bin Laden's lair: The compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, was half a mile from a military academy. If it had been hit in an air strike there would likely have been civilian casualties

    The strike should have taken place on Saturday but it was postponed for 24 hours because of poor weather conditions.

    Military officials waited for a time of low moon luminosity so they could approach the secure hideaway at a low height.
    Terror death: President Obama, pictured here announcing Bin Laden's death, authorised the strike on Friday. It was supposed to go ahead on Saturday but was delayed

    Terror death: President Obama, pictured here announcing Bin Laden's death, authorised the strike on Friday. It was supposed to go ahead on Saturday but was delayed

    Pakistan's High Commissioner to Britain said tonight the operation to hunt down the terror leader involved both Pakistan and the United States.

    The Taliban sheltered Bin Laden in Afghanistan for years, leading then-U.S. President George W. Bush to topple its regime in late 2001 and ushering in a nearly decade-long war between U.S.-led forces and the Islamist group.

    Osama Bin Laden's death will give President Obama a huge boost in the polls - and increase his chances of being re-elected in 2012 despite U.S. economic difficulties.

    Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing.

    U.S. Blackhawk helicopters ferried about two dozen troops from Navy SEAL Team Six, a top military counter-terrorism unit, into the compound identified by the CIA as Bin Laden's hideout - and back out again in less than 40 minutes.

    He was shot in the head, officials said, after he and his bodyguards resisted the assault.

    Three adult males were also killed in the raid, including one of Bin Laden's sons, whom officials did not name. One of bin Laden's sons, Hamza, is a senior member of Al Qaeda.

    The compound is about half a mile from the Kakul Military Academy, an army-run institution for top officers and one of several military installations in the bustling, hill-ringed town of around 400,000 people.
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    Does it matter who started it or who 'got the man' which neither Bush nor Clinton managed to do. Story on a news show here earlier was how the biggest winner out of this is Obama, and the good timing just when his ratings were at their lowest.

    SwiftSword, If you think about it, the American taxpayer. We have only given Pakistan billions in financial aid. Now, either they are going to make tangible milestones in this fight and fess up or perhaps lose whatever aid the US is giving. It is afterall, their hard earned money and their children in the US Military that pays this price. Ofcoarse, the NATO nations are to thank as well being our partners paying the bill and giving their children as well.

    Many seemed to blame Bush for the Housing Crisis, In a bullshit sense fair enough but atleast give credit to the man that put the ball in play and not just the man that kept it there by policy. He is the man so it is his victory as well but a shared one.

    Overall, a VERY satisfing victory for all of our partners in the world to enbrace.
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    Why bury Osama according to islamic tradition? I thought he's not a muslim and doing so would offend muslims.
    People whined about Saddam, but seriously dumping in the water is a huge FU.

    Even though in theory Wahhbis aren't supposed to revere shrines...
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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    People whined about Saddam, but seriously dumping in the water is a huge FU.

    Even though in theory Wahhbis aren't supposed to revere shrines...
    I would have preferred incinerating the body and dumping the ash in a sewer...
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