Lahori paa jee

Asim and Sparten both.........hmmm very sad

Is it temporary or permanent?

Can they be given another chance?

For Asim

Samudra

Paa jee,

Sparten has not been banned.
He just changed his title to "Banned".

Asim will be back after a week.

platinum786

cool, personally like i said after line 1 i realised it was a latter to the editor...

667medic

Sir jee admit it you got fooled too and Neo also.
I too didn't realize immediately that it was a letter to the edit as I was focussing on the content which BTW was full of holes.
If Asim had wanted to discuss this he could have done it in Hari's thread but instead he had to prove that he was a weasel and start the ridiculous thread as some kind of refutation of Sir Chris Patten's accusations. He flaunted the link to WSJ as the Holy Grail.
As to why no one wanted to dicuss the content of the "piece". It was full of manure and many members including the American members pointed out the fallacity in the arguement....

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sparten

Wall Street Journal is a shady source??????

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platinum786

Umm, no....i knew it was a reply to a letter or article....i just agreed with the opinion presented in it....

TopHatter

It's called a crackdown.

The same crackdown that was warned about and promised would not be pleasant if people didn't back off from the non-stop flame and flamebait.

It was also spilling over into other forums and generally making the WAB an unfriendly place for people to actually discuss and debate.
We've already lost at least one longtime member because of this nonsense.

Apparently most people involved in the flaming etc didn't believe us.
As to why some of those people were getting banned, there was a decision that was made, it was stated explicitly that the decision was not open to debate and some member decided that they were the exception to that rule.
One was banned temporarily (the ban has since expired) and one was banned permanently.

The other members had an incredibly valid point themselves, which was this:

Bull already responded to this quite well.

As you might have read in that thread, Asim can return to the board in 1 week, he is not banned permanently, despite the claims of a "campaign" against him.

By the way Lahori, if you are going to post words or phrases in another language, do please provide a translation for those of us with poor non-English language skills, thanks

Who claimed that the WSJ was a shady source?

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Confed999

And it is a crackdown we begged not to have to perform.

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He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

THL

Time for another public service announcement:



Remember, Folks.....

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Captain Drunk

Lovely non-flame war poster there THL, but I guess everyone would have more drop-dead obedience if Somkey's pic was replaced with yours

TopHatter

Nice try. Naïve, but nice.

Lahori paa jee

Actually thats an indian song and translation into english would not have done justice to it. I still dont want to translate that coz its so beautiful in hindi/urdu.

Btw dont worry. If it meant something bad your pm sections would have been filled with reports.

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TopHatter

Gotcha.

Ray

The above is a letter to the editor. Sound convincing!

But is it news? Does it reflect the newspaper's editorial view of the issue? Can it be passed off as news or the policy of the Govt or anything authoritative?

To be fair to the WAB and its Moderators, is the Letter to the Editor (without mentioning it so) valid as being authoritative for serious discussion or allowing it to be passed off as the Gospel truth?

Just take the posts for on that thread and see how seriously the matter was taken when it is a mere opinion and nothing to do with facts as gleaned and is evident.

When something is posted, no one checks back since it taken that it is true. Each member has faith that they are not being fooled, or else all would just be busy checking the veracity of posts being posted! The whole issue is based on FAITH and one Moderator commented that everyone is not an encyclopedia to know everything!

However, if it is stated that it is just is a personal opinion of a reader, then it becomes fine for light discussion, but passing it off as something having editorial sanction as news and a newspaper's article is not valid at all and it breaks the faith!

I wonder if breaking the faith or a breach of trust is what is being suggested that should be allowed!

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TopHatter

If you were modify your statement to "Is a Letter to the Editor it valid for discussion?" then yes, that is a true statement.
That's what we do here: Discussion of both facts and opinions. That's debate!

But back to what you said: Is it wrong to try to pass off opinion as fact? Hell yes it's wrong, and it's a great way to invite a LOT of unwanted attention from your fellow members

The irony is that it takes all of 10 seconds to type:

"This is an Op-Ed from today's Chicago Tribune and I'd agree with points A, B and C. What do you think?"

Not a lot of work involved I'd say.

Actually what I said was that the WAB itself is not an encyclopedia
That is to say, we do not advertise ourselves as being an online depository composed of pure fact and hard knowledge.
We're merely a humble debating forum!

It falls to the membership to believe or not believe, to double-check or not; somebody else's posts, if they so choose.
If somebody starts talking smack, then other members are free to refute that smack.

I don't think that we need an addition to the rules for that sort of thing, IMHO.
I'm rather proud of the fact that we have an intelligent and perceptive membership here and we tend to quickly jump on people who try to pass off opinion or bad data as the Gospel.

And people that habitually try to pass off bad info as Scripture are invited to change their ways or Exit Stage Left.

The case of Asim however was the same thing as the other 2 members that were banned: An issue was declared closed, yet all 3 figured they were going to continue arguing with the Moderator and/or get in that last word.