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    Was the Big Red 1 in Germany or in the US as part of the REFORGER force during the Cold War?
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    1st ID was REFORGER, Fort Riley, Kansas.

    The US Had the 11th ACR, the 8th ID, 10th Airborne Corps(just a command back during the CW) in Germany, off the top of my head.

    There were others, but they're the ones that are coming to mind right now.

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    And which non-US NATO forces were there? Did the US supply the bulk of the force?
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    For REGORGER, the remaining three bdes in the 1st Canadian Division (1, 2, 5 Bdes. 4 Bde was already in CFB Lahrs, Germany).

    As for the rest,

    type in http://www.google.com

    At the search line type in "NATO Order of Battle."
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    "Oh and only 10 B-52's were shot down during the war, I believe most of them were during Operation Linebacker. There were AT LEAST 100 B-52's in theater at the time."

    By the time the 10 day Linebacker II blitz had ended, the NV IADS had been completely shattered over hanoi and haiphong, and the NVA was out of SAM's.

    So much for the effectiveness of the NVA IADS.

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    You kickass M21Sniper !!!:D :D

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    English only! -Moderator

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    Gayhem needs to stop being childish!

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    So much for them behaving and the whole Only English rule...

    And why the hell is Mahy3M writing crap in Hebrew?
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    Originally posted by Mayh3M
    Quote Originally Posted by Homer
    These Russian might have a case if they could actually AFFORD to put this equipment on their tanks in significant numbers. Not to mention, afford to train and maintain the tanks.

    Looks like they are not even able to keep their soldiers fed:
    ... if you have the same betrayers in goverment in the beginin' of the 90th, as we've got, the America today even would not exist ... those people continuing betray their own people! today and all economic probs are because of them :-|
    Boo hoo so sad! Our Soldiers hate the shitty treatment the Russian Federaton gives. So they constantly betray us in Chechnya. Like they constantly betrayed us in Afghanistan.

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    Boo hoo so sad! Our Soldiers hate the shitty treatment the Russian Federaton gives. So they constantly betray us in Chechnya. Like they constantly betrayed us in Afghanistan.
    Where did that come from?
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    Originally posted by bigross86
    Where did that come from?
    Mayhem wondering why theres such a huge desertion record in Chechnya & why there was one in Afghanistan.

    A lot of the Russian Soldiers in Chechnya desert their posts.

    And either moved into a Chechan city or Mountain Village. Or they Join the Rebels.

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    Originally posted by bigross86
    [B]Wow. I leave for the weekend and when I come back it looks worse than the WT hangout after an all night beer bash!

    First of all-I don't know why I was named a llama. Is that some sort of insult where you come from? Or are you telling me that I look like your girlfriend?
    Even though BR is in the gutter, he reaches for the stars.

    You'd need to beable to, and want to grow a ZZ top if you want to even be able to compare.

    I admit I can't grow myself an actual beard. Even if I wanted to. So don't feel bad about being one upped by Mayhem's signifigant other. :D

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    Hello, respected Lunatock
    Your data on the big desertion and transition to the party of Chechens false. You not so well know a history (real) relations Russian and Chechens. In regions near to the Chechen Republic, women slept with automatic devices under beds. Men constantly patroled district. Chechens did not want to work never. The prime target at them is extraction of resources by armed assaults. For example Georgians, Armenians are well-known for trading abilities. Chechens are well-known for robbery and cohesion against Russian. But between the clans they were at war always. A reality that we were born Russian and they Chechens. It is a parallel between Palestinians and Israelis. Therefore it is difficult to speak that Russian want to have authority above Chechens from evil. Substantially it is self-defense. During the period with 91 for 94 year the Chechen Republic was the independent country. With the army, police. But the authority was controlled by gangsters. Try to learn{find out}, that happened with the civil Russian population during this period. Chechens stole people from different regions of Russia, Ukraine and did{made} slaves. If those tried to escape from the Chechen Republic, them killed. I know such cases completely precisely. By the way our friends Jews too know it. They too were the purpose of kidnappings{abductions} for the repayment. Therefore the government understood, that it should be stopped. Have decided that the fast victory will be politically useful.
    But in Army training and doctrines was not conducted with 90õ years. Since time of capitalist reforms the army has lost all talented experts. Because in civil sector of economy it is possible to make business. Young people did not go and do not go in army for the same reason. They consider, that two years of service in Army do not stand used time.
    All mutual relations in Army and between Army and civil sector have been spoiled by economic reforms. You think, if all economic relations in America have changed for one day. Therefore there was such situation in the Chechen Republic in the first campaign.
    I communicated with some officers from 131 brigades of the city of Maikop. Them have sent there to not be at war, and to put things in order police measures. Simply the presence. They did not prepare for war. But when they have got under fire, began to be at war desperately, but almost all were lost. These losses in a peace time (we are able to not war legally, a troops constantly constrained orders on defense) to demoralized army. But soldiers did not escape almost. They have quickly learned, that almost always Chechens of them kill.
    I shall write further the opinion then. If it is interesting to you.
    There is good Russian film Kawkazkii Plennii (Caucasian captured). If will find, I recommend to look.
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    I know this is late in the conversation but thoose holes were caused by Mavericks not RPG rounds. It got disabled by a shot in the engine, so the crew got out and then they hit with two mavericks to destroy it(the insides of the tank).

    Also the Sabot round hit the side of the turret at close range it penetrating doesn't impress me.

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