I believe the FLIR is a pod that it carrys under it's wings.
My point is that the chances of a tank knocking down an Apache or A-10 are so tiny it's not even worth talking about it.
Last edited by Praxus; 05 Oct 03, at 20:15.
why is that? a tank can easily track them. whatever your combination of gunner and tank is able to track it should be able to hit. if the range is too large, it make sno sense. but that's the same for ground targets. if the speed is too high its the same. but the a-10 is normally slow enough.
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axl
An A-10 is going 200-400 mph and a slight turn will cause the round to miss.why is that? a tank can easily track them. whatever your combination of gunner and tank is able to track it should be able to hit. if the range is too large, it make sno sense. but that's the same for ground targets. if the speed is too high its the same. but the a-10 is normally slow enough.
Say an A-10 is flying, you are tracking it, you fire. The target is at 2000 meters. It will take about 1.5 seconds to reach the target. A 5 degree change in direction on the horizental axis will change the posistion by well over 50 feet. The round will miss.
A-10's aren't gonna be flying straight, they are are gonna be turning every which way hitting targets.
Last edited by Praxus; 05 Oct 03, at 20:37.
no that fast. it depends always on the situation. and i would put my money on the tanks. especially becaus nearly no helicopter or a-10 pilot would ever think that a tank could fire on him.
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axl
Read my post again. I explained why it's so hard to hit an A-10 with a main gun. An unguided munition going about 1400m/s is not gonna be to effective when an A-10 is acutally moving around to hit targets.no that fast. it depends always on the situation. and i would put my money on the tanks. especially becaus nearly no helicopter or a-10 pilot would ever think that a tank could fire on him.
If you have to rely on tanks to knock down CAS assets you already lost the war.
The fact that it has never happened shows how unrealistic it is.
Last edited by Praxus; 05 Oct 03, at 20:45.
don't give that much general statements. i would not like to sit in the a-10. and the more tanks fire on ut, the higher the chance. tank ammunition is going >1600m/s. if the range is too large to the target you will not fire, that's also clear.
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axl
When it leaves the barrel it is going 1400m/s by the time it would hit the target at 2000 meters it would be going around 1000-1100 m/s. They would use HE/HEP or HESH to knock down a helicopter/a-10 not an APFSDS round.don't give that much general statements. i would not like to sit in the a-10. and the more tanks fire on ut, the higher the chance. tank ammunition is going >1600m/s. if the range is too large to the target you will not fire, that's also clear.
So what you would be doing is taking armour assets off their primary mission(to engage armour) to attack air targets it will not likely hit. That's brilliant.
Last edited by Praxus; 05 Oct 03, at 20:53.
who is the tanker, you or me? nobody would ever use a normal he/heat round to engage a moving target. such rounds fly ballistic, apfsds rounds fly much more straight on. and they reach the target much faster. he/heat round will hit just a point, apfsds rounds hit a path.
never said i will use tanks primary for the aa role. just wanted to show what they are able to. as for us the "hind" was always the biggest threat, we were trained to engage it.
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axl
I'm not, and neither are you.who is the tanker, you or me? nobody would ever use a normal he/heat round to engage a moving target. such rounds fly ballistic, apfsds rounds fly much more straight on. and they reach the target much faster. he/heat round will hit just a point, apfsds rounds hit a path.
You obviously don't know much about tank ammunition. HE/HEP is "High Explosive/ High Explosive Plastic" and HESH is "High Explosive Sqaushed Head". HESH rounds will smash up against the side of the target, explode and blow a big chunk of metal around inside the armoured vehicle or it will just blow a big section of say a helicopter apart. HE/HEP uses the explosion to do damage.
A HEAT round is a shape charge weapon and I never mentioned it.
All unguided weapons have a ballistic path.
If you have to use tanks to knock down Helicopters your screwed it's plain and simple.never said i will use tanks primary for the aa role. just wanted to show what they are able to. as for us the "hind" was always the biggest threat, we were trained to engage it.
western tanks don't use anymore simple he rounds. the secondary round is heat, which is multi purpose coz of its splitter jacket (the us calls it heat-mp).
hep/hesh rounds are not used anymore, except by the british tankers.
while slow rounds fly really ballistic, fast rounds nearly don't. that's why you hit moving targets with it.
don't try to teach me something about tanks or tank rounds, i made that shit too long.
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axl
while slow rounds fly really ballistic, fast rounds nearly don't. that's why you hit moving targets with it.
don't try to teach me something about tanks or tank rounds, i made that shit too long.
Ballistics is the study of objects moving under their own momentum and the force of gravity. Even if a round only drops 1/2 a mm it is still flying on it's ballistic path.
You refuse to state your unit or the base you were at, so I have to assume your full of shit.
yeah smart ass, you are right. but you call the heat path ballistic, and the faster ones nearly straight. that's the difference between theory and practice. but really, you are the first i met who wants to engage a helicopter with something else than an apfsds round...muahahahahaha
yes, the americans have the m830a1 and the russians use guided missiles.
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axl
Jesus Christ, answer the damn question!!!
What unit were you in!?!?
BTW, we use the M830A2 not the M830A1.
yeah, mistyped. us army is using both. a1 is the normal heat-mp and a2 is the mpat.
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axl
It is ironic, he doesnt sound like an american. He never used the word "we", he talks from a 3rd party perspective and none of the Americans do that.
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