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About LinkBacksThey were never going to be massed into one homogenous group and employed en masse in a single theater as the Soviets planned to do though sir.Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
I mean specifically superior to post-WII NATO/U.S.
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They were never going to be massed into one homogenous group and employed en masse in a single theater as the Soviets planned to do though sir.
Russian armies (earlier - the USSR) have been never concentrated for one impact. At Russia huge on border, and its neighbours are not reliable and benevolent. Certainly within cold war their best part was in the West, but it does not mean that there there were all armies.
We know. There were 45 divisions against China that was not part of the 173 divisions against NATO.
Chimo
Proceeding from the name of a theme I have a question: whether somebody can tell as the conflict between Russia and the USA (without participation of the nuclear weapon) can develop?
For example: how it is possible to strike across Russia what in your opinion should be the purposes of the first impact? Or on the contrary what first impact can Russia. How the situation further can develop.
Will state the opinions.
Kosovo could give you a hint.
Chimo
There is a greater difference between Kosovo and Russia.
In the former Yugoslavia, before there was the civil war ruining the country. The arms basically was become outdated. The sizes of the country were small, and around there was a set of the countries with air stations for NATO.
Forces of air defence in Russia and in Serbia absolutely at a different level, that considerably will complicate actions of aircraft.
You're asking how such a war could happen and Kosovo gave you a very good hint with the Russians choosing to support the Serbs instead of the ethnic Albanians. A Russian column went into Pristina and an airborned brigade was on standby - could have very well been Russian re-enforcements for Serbia.
Chimo
we need to analyze russian air defenses to answer that question.
we cant wait to see another brilliant analyses from you please share it with us
For King and Fatherland ~ Freedom or Death
well i need to do some research but i know Russia still uses T55's and T 72's as well. It doesnt have many T 90's because they cant afford it. The foreign customers are going to have more. Not to mention their training isnt as good. While in conrast the Us has excellent raining and and thousands of abrms not to mention M1A2's.
Sometimes I really don't know what's better - your grammar or your analysis. Keep up a good work.
For King and Fatherland ~ Freedom or Death
The russians have S-300 SAM and S-400SAM plus they are making lots of money through oil currently and t-55s they have are for reserves and they also have the T-72s updated they can updated them a bit more like the serbian m-2001 upgrade package that is equilvent nealry the same as the t-90S and that would be good they also have over 150 mig 29SMTs plus they also have su-30s and there all reviltely modern plus they could always have a big jet fighter force they could always bring out there mig 29Cs and Mig29As out of stoerage. Plus the ameircans would have to have a base to camp from maybe the closest the Ukraine or somewere and they could move close in russia to the base and Scud them.
T-55s are long gone. They have a few in last ditch reserves but the majority of the T-55s are being sold in vast quanities to 3rd world nations which can employ them effectively.
Remember, not everyone needs a T-80UM or an M-1A2 to fight their neighbors effectively. I know this is basic,but alot of you have much trouble realizing that fact.
All T-72s in Russian service have been upgraded to T-72BM Status which is basically a T-90S with slightly inferior optics.
And to be honest, A fight between the US and Russia will never happen.
The Chinese are the ones to worry about.
How I view this? The US is setting itself for a catastropic defeat in the next 10-25 years VS China. They have us by the jugular economically and they are a highly self-sufficient determined group of people.
Our factories ( Due to outsourcing ) can only produce a MAXIMUM of 30 ABRAMS TANKS EACH MONTH running at full capacity.
In an event with war with china, we'll take 30+ losses in tanks each day that's for sure.
The Abrams will be like the Panther/Tiger/King Tiger VS hoardes of T-72s and some T-80U's. There will be a massacre but the Chinese shall take high casualties but nothing they cant replace.
The US is not the industrial titan anymore. That's our downfall. You cant win wars without men and machine, something Donald Rumsfeld doesnt understand.
We're getting our asses handed to us in Iraq because of his incompetince. What an embarassment.
The fight will be in Taiwan BTW. We will deploy due to European Pressure. We'll lose. Our combat record in Korea against the Chinese hoards is not something we can boast about.
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