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    Dear Mr. Tankie

    We have noted the sincerity and great eloquence with witch you have made their case.

    Ah Captain, I see that you also have noted Tankies blandishment and redolent use of the Queen's english. I have a feeling in my water that he is a tad shy and diffident and is holding back on what he truly wants to say As we are all aware, this fault lies in his avuncular nature and I fear wild horses will not change his gentle and tolerant nature)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    Ah Captain, I see that you also have noted Tankies blandishment and redolent use of the Queen's english. I have a feeling in my water that he is a tad shy and diffident and is holding back on what he truly wants to say As we are all aware, this fault lies in his avuncular nature and I fear wild horses will not change his gentle and tolerant nature)
    Oh I see!

    I wondered if uncle Tankie had found a British RSL club full of Aussie and Kiwi expats and partaken in the traditional "gunfire" breakfast to help the antipodean brothers at arms commemorate Anzac day, hence the burst of undiffident eloquence.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain View Post
    Oh I see!

    I wondered if uncle Tankie had found a British RSL club full of Aussie and Kiwi expats and partaken in the traditional "gunfire" breakfast to help the antipodean brothers at arms commemorate Anzac day, hence the burst of undiffident eloquence.

    Cheers.
    We have partaken in many a "Gunfire" breakfast during our service. Ironically we used to call it 'Gurkha rum' because it was mighty strong, especially at 6 in the morning.

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    Why do the Gurkhas actually want to settle in the UK? OK, mine would be a really unpopular view in this thread, but I'll throw it in anyway: With their current higher pay and pensions based on foreign exchanges, wouldn't it make more sense for them to retire to a comfortable middle-class life in Nepal than to try a carve out a life for their family from the bottom-up in UK? I understand that in the past the pension (though not the pay) was very low, and it didn't even come with the education and medical facilities IA service offered. But as long as those needs are addressed in Nepal - better pensions, educational and medical facilities for families; and other needs wherever they are serving - like better career mobility, more liberal leave etc.; I don't see the long-term benefits of immigration to either the most regular Gurkhas or the UK. In fact, pushing the MoD too far on this issue may tempt them to disband the Regiment altogether and bury it from public scrutiny... as the idea was floated in 1997!

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain View Post
    Dear Mr. Tankie

    Thank you for your kind offer but I am afraid the positions available for the people with the skill sets you mention, are full at this time.

    We would however, be very interested in having the Gurkhas to fill many open positions within our society.
    Uniformed Police as one example, are in high demand at the moment and the Gurkha would most likely fit the requirement quite admirably.

    We will call you if and when a position for the people with the skill sets you mentioned becomes available.

    We have noted the sincerity and magnanimous eloquence with which you have made their case.

    P.S. We do not have any openings for politicians of the calibre you mention either as there seems to be an over supply of them as well.

    Sincerely,

    :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cactus View Post
    Why do the Gurkhas actually want to settle in the UK? OK, mine would be a really unpopular view in this thread, but I'll throw it in anyway: With their current higher pay and pensions based on foreign exchanges, wouldn't it make more sense for them to retire to a comfortable middle-class life in Nepal than to try a carve out a life for their family from the bottom-up in UK? I understand that in the past the pension (though not the pay) was very low, and it didn't even come with the education and medical facilities IA service offered. But as long as those needs are addressed in Nepal - better pensions, educational and medical facilities for families; and other needs wherever they are serving - like better career mobility, more liberal leave etc.; I don't see the long-term benefits of immigration to either the most regular Gurkhas or the UK. In fact, pushing the MoD too far on this issue may tempt them to disband the Regiment altogether and bury it from public scrutiny... as the idea was floated in 1997!
    MOD announces improved pensions for Gurkhas and a review of the mechanism for increasing Gurkha pensions
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    19 Jul 07


    Gurkha pensioners will benefit from an average increase of 19 per cent to their Service pension under new measures announced today, Thursday 19 July 2007, by Under Secretary of State for Defence Derek Twigg.


    The Queen's Gurkha Orderly Officers welcome Honorary Lieutenant (QGO) Tulbahadur Pun VC to the UK

    The significant increase to the Gurkha Pension Scheme (GPS) is in line with changes to Indian Army pensions set by the Indian Pay Commission, and follows on from an increase of 7 per cent announced earlier this year as part of the annual inflationary uplift.

    All Gurkha pensioners of the rank Warrant Officer Class 1 and below will benefit from the increase – representing 95 per cent of all Gurkha pensioners.

    Mr Twigg also announced today that the Government will be conducting a review into how Gurkha Pensions are increased annually. The review will look at how best to measure the cost of living in Nepal, where an estimated 25,000 Gurkha pensioners live. Mr Twigg said:

    "I am delighted to be able to announce this substantial increase in pensions to retired Gurkhas in the Gurkha Pension Scheme. This increase will sustain Gurkha Pension Scheme payments at an appropriate level and demonstrates our continuing commitment to the retired Gurkha population in Nepal.

    "The bravery and heroism of the Brigade of Gurkhas is world renowned and they are fully deserving of this reputation. Their continued significant contribution to operations around the globe has been and will continue to be greatly appreciated."

    The 1947 Tripartite Agreement between Nepal, India and the UK established the linkage for pensions between British Army Gurkhas and those recruited to serve in the Indian Army. The Indian Pay Commission reviews Indian Army pay every ten years.

    A Gurkha Rifleman with 15 years' service currently receives approximately £110 per month. This will rise to approximately £131 per month.

    The increased benefits to the Gurkha Pension Scheme have been included in the Gurkha Offer To Transfer to the Armed Forces Pension Scheme which was announced on 8 March 2007.


    But still not on par with UK soldiers






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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    Ah Captain, I see that you also have noted Tankies blandishment and redolent use of the Queen's english. I have a feeling in my water that he is a tad shy and diffident and is holding back on what he truly wants to say As we are all aware, this fault lies in his avuncular nature and I fear wild horses will not change his gentle and tolerant nature)
    Forsooth verily and gadzooks i say , go forth and muliply , or put as eloquently as i can muster at this point in time .



    F##k off :P)
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    The Government has bowed to demands for fresh reform of Gurkha veterans' settlement rights after embarrassment for Gordon Brown. Skip related content

    A bid to scrap new settlement criteria, brought by the Liberal Democrats, was surprisingly backed by MPs by 267 votes to 246.

    Despite the defeat and strength of feeling, Immigration Minister Phil Woolas said ministers could not responsibly or fairly rush into the formulation of new policy at this stage.

    However, he has promised the next steps will be brought before Parliament's summer recess and also said he will bring forward the date for determination of outstanding applications under the current rules to the end of May.

    "This will ensure those who qualify under the guidelines now in force get confirmation of this as soon as possible," he said, adding: "This Government respects the will of the House of Commons."

    Meanwhile, actress Joanna Lumley, who has been involved with the Gurkhas in their campaign, said: "When it came through we saw it on the screen and I can't tell you the sense of elation, the sense of pride - pride in our country, pride in the democratic system and pride in our Parliament."

    Earlier, during PMQs, the Prime Minister suggested Britain could not afford the £1.4 billion cost of an open door policy for Gurkhas but promised to keep the issue under review.

    Last week, the Home Office announced that despite appeals from Gurkhas and their supporters, they would not allow veterans discharged before 1997 the automatic right to settle in the UK.

    Instead, strict criteria would be applied to settlement claims such as length of service, bravery medals and service-related medical conditions.

    But during the cross-party debate in the Commons, some Labour MPs went against Government policy and joined protests over what campaigners call a "betrayal" of the former soldiers.

    Brown's embarrassing Gurkha defeat - Yahoo! News UK
    "Despite the defeat and strength of feeling, Immigration Minister Phil Woolas said ministers could not responsibly or fairly rush into the formulation of new policy at this stage.".......... then perhaps he/they should step aside and allow someone better qualified to take over and make the requisite changes.


    "Earlier, during PMQs, the Prime Minister suggested Britain could not afford the £1.4 billion cost of an open door policy for Gurkhas but promised to keep the issue under review."

    Disregarding all the lunacy....the mindless idiocy of galactic proportions contained within this short sentence I was wondering just how much money the UK wastes on assylum seekers, dole spongers, criminals and the legions of other scum that absorb £billions in tax payers money each year. We blithely give money to people that have no claim whatsoever to honour or decency or service or even to pride, how much do we pour down the toilet each year on their behalf? And then, our Government has the gall to stand up in front of a parliament which stands for the very essence of what the Gurkas have been fighting for and say they are not worth the money - £1.4billion for ....how many generations of fighting Gurkas?........against the countless hundreds of billions shelled out in benefits...........

    Anyway well done to Joanne Lumley et al for continuing the fight....... slap on the back for you pet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    Just a Romanian here with no intention of invading your labour market.It is disgusting what these politicians are doing to these loyal soldiers.They've opened the gates for every useless scum,they've given a bad name to the notion of diversity,but to those that put their lives at risk there is only a kick in the back.Why the French do not have a problem with their former legionnaires?
    well said. you make the point really well.
    it reminds me of the soldiers too young to vote but old enough to fight.
    is new labour finished?

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    Good for people power ,, it must have been the letter i sent to woolarse ,, but seriously , the public outrage (justified) made them retreat , i think wisely so as well .
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    Has any government ever tried harder to lose an election? A pro-immigration government, but when the whole country actually wants a group of people in, the govt pulls the shutters down?!

    It's not surprising that none of the cabinet have ever served in HM Armed Forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSydneySmith View Post
    Has any government ever tried harder to lose an election? A pro-immigration government, but when the whole country actually wants a group of people in, the govt pulls the shutters down?!

    It's not surprising that none of the cabinet have ever served in HM Armed Forces.
    I think they must have a Cabinet Meeting every Monday morning to discuss how many more nails can they put into their coffin. We now have the Telegraph exposing the Claims they make. The most hated saying at the moment is "It's within the Rules"..of course it is, YOU MADE THE RULES

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    I think they must have a Cabinet Meeting every Monday morning to discuss how many more nails can they put into their coffin. We now have the Telegraph exposing the Claims they make. The most hated saying at the moment is "It's within the Rules"..of course it is, YOU MADE THE RULES
    Yeah you're right, 'its within the rules' is the last ditch of defence of someone lacking any morals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSydneySmith View Post
    Has any government ever tried harder to lose an election? A pro-immigration government, but when the whole country actually wants a group of people in, the govt pulls the shutters down?!

    It's not surprising that none of the cabinet have ever served in HM Armed Forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    W.A.N.K.E.R.S.
    Love what the quote button does.:P

    In today's state wide Saturday paper (Adelaide advertiser) there is a realy good two page spread about the Gurkhas and one of their supporters, Joanna Lumley.

    It is not online yet but it details a number of Gurkha soldiers and Lumley's dealing with Tankie's bestest bossom buddy, homeboy, pal and soul mate, Mr. Phil Woolas.

    The Age has also run a smaller story about the same thing and is online.

    The Gurkhas are getting the type of positive media world wide that pollies could only dream of.

    Cheers.

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