When our perils are past, shall our gratitude sleep? - George Canning
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while I have a great deal of respect for special operators, and believe they play a crucial role in CT and COIN operations, I tend to be an old fashioned conventional forces fan myself; I don't blame the operators for all of the Hollywood fanfare, but I think they would be the first to note that without conventional forces (both maneuver and support units) to do the dirty, long-term, and often dull work that wins wars, there would be little point in special operations units.
I do like the idea of giving conventional infantry units, and junior leaders, more chance to use initiative and become self-reliant in the manner of SF units (if not to that extreme).
On the police side, I know that SWAT is very exciting, but who ever saw a SWAT guy take a larceny from auto report, or break up a domestic? I regard that as more realistic police workthan taking doors. They do, however, serve a very useful purpose on those few occasions that they are really needed.
Wow. I guess I haven't seen this thread since its been dead for almost a year. Well, to be honest, it is difficult for me to give an unbiased opinion, since well, everyone knows that US Army Green Beret is the one and only original and that among those 7th group is the absolute tops!!)
I could go on all day about this and comment on what I have read so far. In one of the earlier posts the topic was Delta Force. I can't say exactly what their role is today because even my old job is not the same as it was 20 years ago. The way I hear it now a lot has changed and there are way more of us than used to. When I talked to the recruiter last they are now letting spec4s in. In my day you had to be an NCO E-5 or above. I also read an article on SOF recently where GBs now fall under socom and are actually getting phased out. Pity! IMO it is an example of political correctness, you know, lower the curve so everyone can make an "A".
I have an old friend who was a LTC in delta and was on the Iranian hostage rescue mission (Eagle Claw). He has some interesting stories. He was also one of the reasons I chose my path. He actually went to high school with my father and afterwards He went to the Army and My Dad went Navy.
I would contribute this tidbit though, and a little research may net you some amzing facts. IMO, the warsaw pact nations as a whole, esp Russia and Poland, focus on strict martial discipline. Thier training can be brutal and I think it makes them very tough in a direct contact situation. Thier H2H skills are superb and they have almost a scary determination to them. I've seen it.
I will agree that accepting recruits straight out of basic into "special forces" seems like a bad idea. I can understand doing this for the Ranger battalions, which are essentially elite conventional forces, but SF units operate in a very different environment. While some highly motivated individuals have presumably done pretty well going directly into SF, I really think that a disservice is done to these men by not giving them time to learn how a conventional war is fought and how regular units operate. Send the super-motivated recruits to the Rangers and to conventional airborne/air assault/light infantry units, then choose candidates for SF once they've demonstrated competence and motivation for four years (and cleaned a latrine or three for humility). Then again, I'm probably jealous of the beards and ball caps.
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I think Afghan people are best fighters,without any proper training they are fighting world third superpower, ( After Britain & Russia ).
I will say the US Special Forces or the SEALS.
They are always in combat, that's why.
The French Légionnaires are not too bad as well....
The 1st RPIMA, 3RD AND 8RPIMA are very well trained , those guys are in Afganistan at the moment. They just lost 10 of their men in an ambush last week.
Most of them were 22/24 years old
Last edited by 24RIMA; 28 Aug 08, at 03:10.
I have always admire the US for what they did on the Beach of Normandy 1944. You guys are the best in the field, I mean it.
Thank you very much for the warm welcome, but my generation has never forgotten those Paratroopers who came out of the sky of Normandy and from the Channel Sea that rainy day of June 6 1944. My mother was 12 years old at the time, her house was less than 50 miles away from Utah Beach, manner of facts, she ate her first chewing-gum on an American tank...She will never forget the joy in seeing the first Americans soldiers entering her village.
Everytime she talk about it , I feel that I was there, in that small tiny village.
She remember the US Infantry coming first , than the British a week later.
My next trip, the beach of Normandy with my kids, I want them to know why we have a better world today. I honor you great uncles for what they beleived in.
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
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