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    Quote Originally Posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    There you go. A classic. Its included on the album In Country, where it is spelled "Ba Muoi Ba."

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    I read "Inside Delta Force" and, as someone not in the community believed it was credible.

    As someone not familiar with the criticism, what exactly is the reason(s) for the criticism for Marcinko and Haney?

    Also, is Charlie Beckwith's memoirs about Delta Force also to be called into question?

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    Marcinko, whose books I have read a very long time ago, was kicked out of the Navy for, or at least as I remembered it, pocketing public funds and was convicted by a jury of his peers. He maintained his innocence, of course. He generated a lot of antipathy because he boasted (unsubtly) how he and his unit was better than everybody else and made a some claims that are highly improbable. The behaviors and attitudes he espoused in his books are IMHO less than professional.

    I read Haney and liked his book in terms of his craftsmanship as a writer. I know next to didley squat about the truthfulness of his book, but some had called him out on claiming on the cover that he was a founding member of the unit. As events unfold, it seems clear that there is much bad blood between him and some of his colleagues.

    None of his claims appear to be particularly outlandish to my admature eyes however, and one of his vocal critics who was also from Delta (Fitch?) called him a mediocre operative. Which, from the size of the fishes in that pool, doesn't make a particulary effective insult.

    If anybody knows more about the whole deal with Haney, I will gladly listen.
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    You would probably have better luck getting an honest answer from the Govt about UFOs than Delta or any SFs for that matter. Thing is, the ones that have really been there and done that, ain't talkin'. If it sounds incredible, it probably is less than credible.

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    OH! I forgot... Haney's account of his adventures in Hondoras links the US government to several infamous anticommunist operations that, allegedly, resulted in the execution and torture of civilians, incidences that are well known in leftist groups. He also says in his book that one American citizen and an ex-soldier he knew from Delta's Selection became a Honduran rebel leader, whom he killed. He accuses the CIA of using that soldier and than sent Delta in to kill him.

    It's an odd tale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple C View Post
    OH! I forgot... Haney's account of his adventures in Hondoras links the US government to several infamous anticommunist operations that, allegedly, resulted in the execution and torture of civilians, incidences that are well known in leftist groups. He also says in his book that one American citizen and an ex-soldier he knew from Delta's Selection became a Honduran rebel leader, whom he killed. He accuses the CIA of using that soldier and than sent Delta in to kill him.

    It's an odd tale.
    See what I mean...heck, everyone knows that absolutely nothing has ever happened in Honduras....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    You would probably have better luck getting an honest answer from the Govt about UFOs
    Reminds me of the time I went to a party in Seattle, visiting an old High School friend.
    The party was full of leftist, conspiracy theory, hippy types.

    I was introduced as being in the Navy, so of course people asked what I did. When I told them Naval Intelligence.

    2 completely different groups of people asked me where we kept the UFO's.

    The first time I laughed it off, the second time, with a straight face, I said

    You know all those mothballed carriers we have over in Bremerton?

    Inside there.
    I think I said something about the hangar bays.

    I don't know if they really believed me, but they did seem to take it in.


    and one other thing, if we can track Santa every year I’m sure our Aegis system would pick up and space craft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Native View Post
    Reminds me of the time I went to a party in Seattle, visiting an old High School friend.
    The party was full of leftist, conspiracy theory, hippy types.

    I was introduced as being in the Navy, so of course people asked what I did. When I told them Naval Intelligence.

    2 completely different groups of people asked me where we kept the UFO's.

    The first time I laughed it off, the second time, with a straight face, I said
    ))

    Today one of our employees asked me why there more water pressure at a spigot on one end of the building than at the opposite. I said it was because of the Earths rotation and they believed it. Next week maybe I can explain UFOs to them..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equilibrium View Post
    I read "Inside Delta Force" and, as someone not in the community believed it was credible.

    As someone not familiar with the criticism, what exactly is the reason(s) for the criticism for Marcinko and Haney?

    Also, is Charlie Beckwith's memoirs about Delta Force also to be called into question?
    Not Beckwith, that I know of. Then again, they were trying to sell their books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    ))

    Today one of our employees asked me why there more water pressure at a spigot on one end of the building than at the opposite. I said it was because of the Earths rotation and they believed it. Next week maybe I can explain UFOs to them..)
    "Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories." Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    Today one of our employees asked me why there more water pressure at a spigot on one end of the building than at the opposite. I said it was because of the Earths rotation and they believed it. Next week maybe I can explain UFOs to them..)
    I like to blame either Coriolis force, or the precession in the planetary magnetic field, or sometimes both. You could also attribute it to unexpected nutation, or claim that a given article is non-ferrous, but paramagnetic.

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    Oh boy, now we will have more of these guys running around screaming "hey a navy expert told me where they hid the UFOs!"

    Man, I can never party in Seattle now!!
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    I do remember that I doubted Haney's description of the US Vietnam POW rescue mission and the events surrounding it. His description of the Central American ex-operator turncoat murder conspiracy, since he was there, I took him at his word. THe conspiracy angle, I did not agree with though.

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    If anyone wants to know anything about Hondo, El Sal and Nicaragua, just look up Eugene Hasenfus. He Might be back on the streets now after exposing himself at that K-Mart back in 2000. He can tell all the goods on the whole Iran-contra deal....He was CIA, (oh sorry, loadmaster on an SA flight) maybe he should write a book.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper View Post
    See what I mean...heck, everyone knows that absolutely nothing has ever happened in Honduras....
    ...and have scars to prove it!)
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