Thread: T-80 & The Arjun. Army avoiding trials.

Originally Posted by sohamsri

According to fas.org,

"T-90 tank will swiftly" kill" Arjun, the main battle tank developed locally after 25 years."

Pure BS.

What do you guys think ? Is it capable of doing so ?

Quite easily, the T-72 family beats the Arjun only in firepower, if the Arjun gets within 2.5km, it's not going to be pretty.

Indian Army exercises of t-72s and t-80s said something else......

In fact they are having a problem of accurate aiming with the t-72s where the arjun beats it.

Shield, the Arjun is heavier than the t-72s mainly because of its "kanchan" armour.

Originally Posted by sohamsri

In fact they are having a problem of accurate aiming with the t-72s where the arjun beats it.

Sub-standard production 2A46M's from the Soviet era. Russian Federation is improving quality steadly though.

Originally Posted by sohamsri

Shield, the Arjun is heavier than the t-72s mainly because of its "kanchan" armour.

I would not base armour on its weight.

Originally Posted by otester

Sub-standard production 2A46M's from the Soviet era. Russian Federation is improving quality steadly though.

I would not base armour on its weight.

Its improving..... not improved.

I am not basing the armour on its weight.

I am basing the weight on its armour.

Just get it out to the corps. Once its operational we can correct any defects in the next tranche. Anything is better than this endless rounds of trials rigged to make the Arjun look bad.

Originally Posted by bolo121

Just get it out to the corps. Once its operational we can correct any defects in the next tranche. Anything is better than this endless rounds of trials rigged to make the Arjun look bad.

I swear.... Sir, do you have any idea why the army is doing this ?

One word: LOGISTICS

Originally Posted by Blademaster

One word: LOGISTICS

Sir,
Could you please elaborate a bit on that ? I really want to understand this....once and for all.

just the usual whining about rail wagon sizes and road bridge weight limits.
Ive always found this particular line of thought to be frustratingly circular.
If the wagons are small, get larger ones, if the bridges are weak get more and better bridge layers. Sure it will cost, sure it might take a few years but come on, do it anyway.
Inferior infrastructure should not be used as an excuse not to adopt a superior tank design.
With tanks, history shows that they always get bigger and heavier as more and more threats appear on the battlefield.

Originally Posted by sohamsri

According to fas.org,

"T-90 tank will swiftly" kill" Arjun, the main battle tank developed locally after 25 years."

Pure BS.

What do you guys think ? Is it capable of doing so ?

i believe that particular line did not refer to any actual engagement between a t-90 and an arjun but rather the probable choice of tank the indian army would go for given that the arjun costs 13-14mil$ apiece while the t-90 tops at around8mil$

Originally Posted by sohamsri

Sir,
Could you please elaborate a bit on that ? I really want to understand this....once and for all.

We've gone through this before. The InA is T-72 geared, meaning all its combat forces are built around this tank ... or this tank has now fit in with the rest of the combined arms. The artillery, the engineers, and the infantry all know how to work with this tank.

This essentially means that a column will stop every 100 miles or so just so the tanks can get refuelled and therefore the rest of the column can also get fed and watered.

Add in a tank that can do 150 miles before it needs to drink throws the rest of the column out of whack.

And it's not Indian bridges you need to worry about. It's Pakistani bridges ... and by the off chance, Chinese bridges.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

We've gone through this before. The InA is T-72 geared, meaning all its combat forces are built around this tank ... or this tank has now fit in with the rest of the combined arms. The artillery, the engineers, and the infantry all know how to work with this tank.

This essentially means that a column will stop every 100 miles or so just so the tanks can get refuelled and therefore the rest of the column can also get fed and watered.

Add in a tank that can do 150 miles before it needs to drink throws the rest of the column out of whack.

And it's not Indian bridges you need to worry about. It's Pakistani bridges ... and by the off chance, Chinese bridges.

But sir, its not a fixed rule that we have to stay around the t-72, wont we ever evolve ? And if a tank can cover more distance on a single run, it is an advantage, and it should'nt be considered as a disadvantage.

ANd i think the arjun is the first step towards that indigenous evolvement.

Originally Posted by bengalraider

i believe that particular line did not refer to any actual engagement between a t-90 and an arjun but rather the probable choice of tank the indian army would go for given that the arjun costs 13-14mil$ apiece while the t-90 tops at around8mil$

Well, it did refer to a combat engagement.

well when did such an engagement take place? or was it just a hypothetical scenario you are referring to?