India+Russia vs. China+Pakistan

**~~Prosto ILya~~** · 22 Mar 05,, 18:37

India+Russia vs. China+Pakistan = Huge Nuke-Bada-bum.

And everybody happy. Radioactive, but happy.

Originally Posted by quantumlight

last time they tried they ended up been nuked (we said we were testing a nuclear bomb and ended up dropping it on their invading tank armada)

And in what reality this event took place?

Originally Posted by quantumlight

and rightnow the russian army are in disarray and navy are almost all mothballed

Mega-experts just keep coming.

**lwarmonger** · 23 Mar 05,, 03:34

Originally Posted by quantumlight

we said we were testing a nuclear bomb and ended up dropping it on their invading tank armada

Where did you hear that from? Seriously, I really want to know who has been saying stuff like that and getting people to believe it.

Don't you think that if you nuked Russia's tanks during the border clashes that they would have destroyed your country?

Anyway, as for the original thread, fighting India would be a logistical nightmare for Chinese forces, and fighting Russia at the same time would be disasterous. While I do not agree that numbers are irrellevant (I think most of the Russian General Staff would disagree with that), I doubt that the Chinese could prevent the conflict from going nuclear. Once it went nuclear, the Russians have a massive advantage, and China is doomed.

A more interesting situation is Pakistan and China vs India. That would be a bloody war, and I don't think that the winner could be easily determined. The difficulties work both ways in that conflict. China would find it impossible to use their numbers against India (it being logistically almost impossible to supply large armies with such limited infrastructure), however the Indians would be required to divide their forces, and they face much the same problem as they advance into Pakistan. Mountainous terrain populated with armed muslims is hardly the best area to supply or occupy, and the Indian advance would very quickly run into logistical problems, leaving them open to a counter-attack. While in a conflict of merely India vs Pakistan, I'd say Pakistan's best hope would be a stalemate, with China in the picture things become far less clear.

**Dima** · 23 Mar 05,, 04:21

wow, i'm surprised you guys are so positive about Russia, i agree, in fact, Russia has the second highest GDP growth so far this earht in the world, with 7%, only China outgrows that so far with 8.1%, Russia's troops in the Far East is very scarce, at first, because of this, China would make rather large gains into Russia at first, but as their offensive continues, the Russians would slaughter them with their massive defenses, artillery, SAM's going against crappy J-7's, T-72's, T-80's, T-90's going against Type 95's, T-72 look-alikes, now if you guys think that the Russian army is underfunded, check out China's, that's pretty much it, the quality of their weapons, because it's just all copies, is very bad

imagine what all those Backfire's and Blackjacks would do to China's gruond forces and navy, wow, talk about obliteration

Pakistan would not be a threat to either nation, they mghit be able to inflict some casualties on the Indians, but because of the Indians' superior numbers and superior equipment, wouldn't last long, going against China would last quite a while, China vs. India, that's kind of tough, probably India though, because of their superior quality

**quantumlight** · 23 Mar 05,, 18:25

lol ok i made that part up sort of, just for fun, sorry just storys when i was little older ppl tell it for fun nothing real and russians probably gonna beat chinese airforce but if they fly into china, we will have the FT-2000 and the new AAA and 1000 other air defense missiles waiting oh and we are getting backfires more sovernmey and more su-30s from russia but since u ppl agree that china will never beat russia i'll just rest my case

and china dont fly J-7s on front line, we use them to shoot down bombers that dont have the tendency of shooting back, we use J-10, 11, and su-27, 30 and modified version of J-8s and JH-7As to attack and use for air superiority which is enough to take on IAF cuz

J-8s to take on ur J-7s
J-10 to take on ur mig 23,25,27,29 and mirages
su-27 and su 30 to take on ur su jets

not sure about ur jaguar though is it any good? how long range is it?

as for army i dont think ur army is gonna push far against T-96, T-98, T-GGX (not copy of T-72) and our new toys and our new attack helicopters would be entering service in a few years and we got new artillery and air defense for our troops and seriously we are not gonna line up to become ur target practise (contrary to the movies) and u r not the only ones with paratroopers and commandos and knows guerrilla warfare which im sure PLA knows more than u ppl
and we got a lot more LAC than u ppl do and we can produce way more

so i dont think india gonna do much against china unless it attacks right in the beginning and take on the crappy borderline troops along kashmir then PLA starts rolling in

**Dima** · 24 Mar 05,, 04:06

yes, but do you take into account what Russia is going to get as well?

you sue J-10, J-11(Su-27SK), Su-30, J-8's, and Jh-7's

okay, well, first thing we must settle on, is when is this conflict taking place?, for the J-10 isn't in service yet, you guys have limited amounts of Su-30MKK's, and Su-37SK's, also, J-8's and JH-7's, blah, still won't put up much of a fight, Russia's best strategy is just to sit back, and be defensive, once they've worn down the Chinese soldiers, and crippled their already extremely low morale, boom

your "new" toys, lol, i don't mean to be rude, but over 70%of all Chinese weapons are just copies of other nations, and they are actually not as effective as other nations

quantumlight, you really underestimate India, they potentially have more soldiers than China, if you take into account that China only has approx. 250 million more people than India, but India has considerably more younger people than China, in fact, China is one of the fastest ageing nations in the world, because of their one-child one-family policy

but Indian infantry, i don't mean to be mean, are very bad, i've seen pics of Indian soldiers, it's sad, sorry, i didn't mean to offend someone, but their pilots are very good

**akash** · 24 Mar 05,, 17:42

Do you think taiwan would just sit and watch all this? What about the UN and USA?

**~~Prosto ILya~~** · 24 Mar 05,, 17:58

Originally Posted by akash

Do you think taiwan would just sit and watch all this? What about the UN and USA?

Will Taiwan sit and watch conflict of India+Russia vs. China+Pakistan?
Well, why not?
As for UN, USA, EU, CNN, BBC, HBO and 007 - well, they will join for fun, that's for sure.

**akash** · 24 Mar 05,, 22:42

Originally Posted by Prosto ILya

Will Taiwan sit and watch conflict of India+Russia vs. China+Pakistan?
Well, why not?
As for UN, USA, EU, CNN, BBC, HBO and 007 - well, they will join for fun, that's for sure.

yes, but who will they support?

**lwarmonger** · 25 Mar 05,, 04:17

Originally Posted by akash

yes, but who will they support?

Sure as hell not going to support China! Neutrality is your best bet though. They'll sit on the fence, and let the big boys slug it out, and hope not to pick up too much fallout from the remains of China.

**Ray** · 29 Mar 05,, 12:26

Dima,

I am an Indian Infantry officer and I do hope I am not that pathetic as you make it out.

I am not aware of what pictures you have seen, but I can assure you that we are not that awful. Personally, I think we are doing quite well and will continue to do so.

I do agree we do not doll up with sunglasses, swiss knives, neat looking helmets, and wear that 'business like look' that PR photos of some armies post. Professionally, Rambo would have been proud, though we don't have his gizmos.

In case you are the type who is impressed with parade ground spit and polish, do see the Republic Day Parade photos and better still the TV Coverage.

Oh by the way, the majority of the Army is in the field (operational area) and so that should indicate that professionally we are on the ball. True in such a scenario, the Indian infantry cannot qualify as the 'glamour boys'.

Sorry to have been such a disappointment to you, but hopefully we will try to come up to your standards, the next time around!

**Ray** · 29 Mar 05,, 12:36

Just to help you all along the way, let me inform you all that the Sino Indian border is in the High Altitude (over 12000 ft) and it is undeveloped i.e. no roads, but mule tracks and foot tracks.

One may attack a capture the forward posts but thereafter, how does the artillery move up?

Logistics and resupply is another issue in trackless terrain.

Kargil rings a bell?

**Ray** · 29 Mar 05,, 12:44

Mountainous terrain populated with armed muslims is hardly the best area to supply or occupy, and the Indian advance would very quickly run into logistical problems,

Are you meaning the terrorist (armed Moslems in the hills)?

If it is the Kashmiris, then both in 1965 and the Kargil War, the Kashmiri Moslems alerted the Indian Army of the infiltration.

If Pakistan attacks, then the war is not confined to the mountains alone, but all along the border.

If there is a Chinese and Pakistan collusion, then again it is not that bothersome as is being made out. The mountainous terrain along the Sino Indian border precludes major action.

**Kontakt Era** · 30 Mar 05,, 00:16

Hi again, sorry this has nothing to do with the toipc but plz plz plz answer. How big are Japan's and Germany's armies today?

**ajaybhutani** · 30 Mar 05,, 00:37

Originally Posted by KONTAKT ERA

Hi again, sorry this has nothing to do with the toipc but plz plz plz answer. How big are Japan's and Germany's armies today?

check globalsecurity.org

**Praxus** · 30 Mar 05,, 01:25

"Sure as hell not going to support China! Neutrality is your best bet though. They'll sit on the fence, and let the big boys slug it out, and hope not to pick up too much fallout from the remains of China...and India"

Bold added by me:-D