China's claims new MBT "among the most advanced in the world"

**~~badguy2000~~** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:17

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Badguy, just to show how far the Chinese are still behind. I will have no hesitations in pitting a Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group against an entire Chinese Group Army.

yeah, Canadian are all supermen.1 can deat 1o or 20.

**entropy** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:17

Originally Posted by badguy2000

well, PLA has several ways to kill sateliite.

I listen.

**~~badguy2000~~** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:26

Originally Posted by astralis

Col yu,

holy jesus, an entire MR? i knew the differential was bad...but not that bad. that reminded me of the question i asked you all the way back regarding today's US army vs the old red army of the 80s. wouldn't the americans simply run outta ammo??

OEE means only 7 US divisions can detroy the entire PLA,because PLA has only 7 MRs.

7 US devisions has about 150 K soldiers,I think.

As I know, 150 K US soldiers are struggling In Iraq,aren't them?

So,PLA should be dealed with much more easily than those rebel in Iraq,shouldn't they?

**~~badguy2000~~** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:30

Originally Posted by entropy

I listen.

besides that shown in revealed experiment, laser is also available.

**Officer of Engineers** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:34

Originally Posted by badguy2000

yeah, Canadian are all supermen.1 can deat 1o or 20.

How about reading what I wrote? At worst a Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group can run away long before the PLA would know about it. Do you understand just what that even mean?

Originally Posted by badguy2000

OEE means only 7 US divisions can detroyed the entire PLA,because PLA has only 7 MR.

7 US devisions has about 150 K soldiers,I think.

As I know, 150 K US soldiers are struggling In Iraq,aren't them?

One American Division is enough to destroy a MR HQ. After that, you don't have a MR. You have 4 Group Armies which can be destroyed piecemeal.

Originally Posted by badguy2000

So,PLA should be dealed with much more easily than those rebel in Iraq,shouldn't they?

How long have you been on this forum? How long have we gone into exacting details between the war and the insurgency? How long were you asleep or just too lazy to read those detailed threads?

**~~badguy2000~~** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:36

Originally Posted by entropy

An American base in Mongolia would be a pain in two ***, the Russian and the Chinese one.

any US soldiers in Mongolia would be the hostages of PLA,if any US base were to deployed in Mongolia

**Officer of Engineers** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:39

Originally Posted by badguy2000

any US soldiers in Mongolia would be the hostages of PLA,if any US base were to deployed in Mongolia

Now that is simply horse crap.

**Zeng** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:42

Originally Posted by entropy

In fact, Mongolia is more US-oriented than towards Russia. If memory serves, the American investments are bigger than the Russian ones. But probably it's just wishful thinking from the Mongolian side...

I wonder if anyone mentioned Mongolia in the Iraq war thread. In fact, Mongolia is the first country in the entire world to officially express the support to the America’s decision of invading Iraq. American just ignored it and didn't give them the credit they deserve.

**Zeng** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:45

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Against today's PLA, yes, that would be the expectation. Let's simply say that we know alot more about the PLA than they do of us and that is extremely surprising since we have more open source materials about us than they do of themselves.

I have absolute confidence in my people. I know at the very least we can run away long before the Chinese learned that we have run away. The same cannot be said of the Chinese ... at least not without confidence.

A single American division can take on a Chinese MR with complete confidence and I am not joking. .

I am not a military professional. So I can’t make meaningful comment on military issues.

When the Russians are unimpressed with Chinese participation in their joint exercises, you have a long way to go before I consider it a challenge.

Totally agree with you on that. Never thought and claimed that China has short way to go. I wish that nobody ever consider China to be a challenge.

China is a humble student. We still have too much to learn. Let others do the impressive (to the world) or challenge (to the big powers) things; let China do the things that may not be considered impressive or challenge by others, which is to lift hundred millions people from absolute poverty, improve the average people’s life in China, improve the education system, establish a better foundation for the science and technology researches, create a better social and politic systems.

China does things for itself under its own limitation. China doesn’t need to do things to impress anyone or obtain praise from anyone.

**~~badguy2000~~** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:45

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

How about reading what I wrote? At worst a Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group can run away long before the PLA would know about it. Do you understand just what that even mean?

One American Division is enough to destroy a MR HQ. After that, you don't have a MR. You have 4 Group Armies which can be destroyed piecemeal.

How long have you been on this forum? How long have we gone into exacting details between the war and the insurgency? How long were you asleep or just too lazy to read those detailed threads?

how? destroy all satellites and C4SIR of PLA ,then send an " Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group" to China?

remind you : any mass-deployedment can be easily detected by satellites and other detecting tech. unless you disable the C4SIR of PLA,any mass-deployment beside China are naked in PLA"s eye.let alone mass-deployment in China.

however,any attack to the C4SIR of PLA would be upgrade to a hand-show between countries,instead of a brigade-level mission

**Zeng** · 08 Aug 07,, 01:57

Originally Posted by zraver

I'd rather have a corps sized element. A single division is mighty light on infantry, engineers, long range rocket artillery, and CSS assets. A single divsion even a heavy divsion like the 4th infantry is going to be spread mighty thin and the new Chinese tanks while not as good as the fanboys claim are packing a gun/ammo combination that can threaten an Abrams if properly employed or employe din big enough numbers (although they will not dominate as claimed)

zraver,

Rumsfeld claimed that he didn’t need lot of boots to win the war, his policy got adopted. Colin Power suggested for more boots on the ground and got himself a retirement. So, the brave ones who suggest fewer boots get promotion. Be careful, please don’t stand on the wrong side of the “Boots Debate” for the sake of your future career.

Sorry, just kidding and no offense

I hope that I can lighten up the discussion a little bit. The discussion is getting too serious at this moment

In fact, I respect the fact that you keep your own opinion even if it doesn’t agree with the opinion of the top and others. It shows the quality of your professionalism.

**Stan187** · 08 Aug 07,, 02:01

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

How long have you been on this forum? How long have we gone into exacting details between the war and the insurgency?

Not long enough, evidently.

**Stan187** · 08 Aug 07,, 02:06

Originally Posted by badguy2000

besides that shown in revealed experiment, laser is also available.

I'm all ears. Oh wait, this is that Top Secret thing right? Classified information. Classified and unknown to everyone but you. Good thing the PLA doesn't read WAB, otherwise you'd be busted for revealing too much info.

Keep begginning for it. You'll get the boot soon enough.

**~~captchasep~~** · 08 Aug 07,, 02:26

Originally Posted by Stan187

I'm all ears. Oh wait, this is that Top Secret thing right? Classified information. Classified and unknown to everyone but you. Good thing the PLA doesn't read WAB, otherwise you'd be busted for revealing too much info.

Keep begginning for it. You'll get the boot soon enough.

Don't let the sarcasm get you!

We're honestly intrigued by this laser ASAT capability. Could you elaborate?

**xerxes** · 08 Aug 07,, 03:16

Originally Posted by Zeng_xinren

I wonder if anyone mentioned Mongolia in the Iraq war thread. In fact, Mongolia is the first country in the entire world to officially express the support to the America’s decision of invading Iraq. American just ignored it and didn't give them the credit they deserve.

Which mongolia? ... the outer Mongolia or the inner Mongolia?