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    Thanx,
    If I understood you right the PLA is reorganising their troop structure into that of a mordern army primarily thru the following measures:

    1.Maintaining and improving their strike corps i.e 38,39 armies thru new acquisitions

    2.Upgrading brigade level skilll sets by working on their `hero regiments` and getting rid of the dead wood.

    If I am right their next move should be to divert new equipment to these reworked regiments to introduce the manouver ability that you spoke of.

    Am I right in assuming that with their current parity on artillery assets which are slower moving, the PLA can only fight a defensive war or at maximum project their force in countries around china.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indianbomb
    Thanx,
    If I understood you right the PLA is reorganising their troop structure into that of a mordern army primarily thru the following measures:

    1.Maintaining and improving their strike corps i.e 38,39 armies thru new acquisitions
    I would not say that. The 38GA and 39GA are showcase corps and they're way too far north to be used in time for any of the two of the five anticipated War Zones (SE Asia and South Asia, the other 3 are North China, Taiwan, and NW China).

    Quote Originally Posted by indianbomb
    2.Upgrading brigade level skilll sets by working on their `hero regiments` and getting rid of the dead wood.
    Before brigadization, the smallest combined arms echelon was the division. Now, it is the brigade. However, brigade is still assuming regimental level taskings rather than divisional. If anything, these new brigades resembles those of the Russian motorized rifle regiments in thinking and tasking.

    Divisional taskings are still at division.

    Quote Originally Posted by indianbomb
    If I am right their next move should be to divert new equipment to these reworked regiments to introduce the manouver ability that you spoke of.
    You (and I) would assume so but we have not seen any evidence of this. From what we've seen, these new brigades got the best of its division's TOE but nothing new.

    Quote Originally Posted by indianbomb
    Am I right in assuming that with their current parity on artillery assets which are slower moving, the PLA can only fight a defensive war or at maximum project their force in countries around china.
    The Chinese have embarked on a new doctrine, the War Zone Campaign, based upon the USArmy Field Manual 3.0 Operations. It is limited to 100 miles force projection from China's borders.

    It is divided into 3 phases

    1) Recee by force (platoon to company size SOF insertion into the warzone)

    2) Fixing the war zone (motor rifle brigade to be followed by an engineering regt and a guns bde) to fix and isolate whatever hostile forces within that war zone

    3) a battle of annhilation (done by division to corps) of all enemy forces within that war zone.

    Phase I - D to D+3 timeline
    Phase II - D+3 to D+7
    Phase III - D+7 to D+14
    Chimo

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    The Chinese have embarked on a new doctrine, the War Zone Campaign, based upon the USArmy Field Manual 3.0 Operations. It is limited to 100 miles force projection from China's borders.
    Frankly 100 miles seems to be too less for an aspiring super power. THis is sufficient for border wars against clearly defined enemies. How ever the trends internationally seem to involve pan inter national ideological groups. E.g can china run a afganistan type campaign. Have they invested enough in special forces and heavy lift capacities. Large armies like the kind PLA have seem to be more usefull in capturing and holding land. Internationally however such map drawing will face flak. I think armies must move towards adopting strong defensive postures with abilities to launch swift and fast punitive strikes.

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    The Chinese can do neither a Taliban War nor a Soviet Invasion. Its mass forces would resemble something along the lines of the 79 Sino-VN War where over 200,000 troops took part.

    The PLA, through its writings and public stancs, admit most loudly that they are not a superpower force nor would it be anytime soon. They aimed to be a regional force capable of withstanding even an American onslaught. That is their goal - to be able to hold off a superpower by whatever means necessary, not to become one.
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    Do you know the status of their special forces in terms of numbers, equipment and structure. I am asking these basic questions becasuse I am not a military man, and whatever I learnt so far is thru surfing sites like these. I find the whole thing very interestig.

    Incidentally where ever I have seen pictures of PLA troops in exercises there are massess of men and equipment running around with a lot of huge red flags. How good are the training standards of these guys. How would they hold division to division against a western army say( not US)???

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    Quote Originally Posted by indianbomb
    Do you know the status of their special forces in terms of numbers, equipment and structure. I am asking these basic questions becasuse I am not a military man, and whatever I learnt so far is thru surfing sites like these. I find the whole thing very interestig.
    You're going to have to be alot more specific. Special Forces is an extremely broad term and one which does not have any specific meaning.

    In general,

    There is the PLAAF 15th Airborne Corps which do US Ranger style operations. Though corps size, they actually do company size operations. The PLAAF is forming another corps but only on paper and is stripping 15ABC assets to do so.

    All recee coys and platoons are considered SOF by the strictist definition of the term.

    The People's Armed Police, though officially not part of the PLA, has fielded ~100 SWAT/Anti-Terrorist teams.

    Quote Originally Posted by highsea
    Incidentally where ever I have seen pictures of PLA troops in exercises there are massess of men and equipment running around with a lot of huge red flags. How good are the training standards of these guys. How would they hold division to division against a western army say( not US)???
    Apples to watermelon comparison,

    from my article

    The [PLA Motor Rifle Regiment] is a very robust organization centering heavily on the use of well-disciplined and well-trained troops supported by massive firepower. It minimizes PLA weaknesses while maximizing its strengths. The lack of an effective C3 experience, knowledge, and equipment makes a combined supporting arms operation hard to achieve. By effectively isolating the sub-ordinate units from support, the MRR bypasses this problem. Instead, the MRR aims to create chaos amongst enemy ranks while relying on a faster reacting commander sending in well-disciplined and well-drilled troops to outslug the opposition individual soldiers.

    Much depends on the operational plan. While the battalions and companies are expected to fight their local actions without support, the problem remains have they been given the correct objectives? Penetration forces may easily be directed into killing zones or simply ending up where they would be of no use. At the tactical level, the only solution is to ensure a proper operational plan.

    And that is the main problem with this, the PLA has not demonstrated that they can consistently come up with good operational plans. There is no doubt the PLA can perform an operation brilliantly but a poor plan would still result in poor results no matter how brilliant the execution.

    The PLA's MRR doctrine is obviously aimed at the PRC's southern neighbours. It currently lacks the responsiveness and the speed of its rear echelon units to overcome Western Task Forces/Battle Groups. The PLA might very well be able to seize the initiative but be very hard pressed to keep it. Western forces currently enjoy overwhelming mobility, precision firepower, and co-ordination capabilities the PLA currently does not have. Given such circumstances, the Western commander has more resources to react with then that of the PLA commander even though the PLA commander may react first.
    Chimo

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