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Lol...don't go by those pictures in sinodefence. The helicopter is not Chinese made, but "photoshopped" images claimed to be prototypes.Originally Posted by Terran empire
You better give details of the systems used by India, don't make sweeping statements. What are the "two" kinds of arty guns fielded by US and Russia? A prelminary search shows far more systems than you claim.
I agree that China has much better defence industrial capability. But do they have the money?I think China is more industrialized than India. With the modernizing of the military, China will be better in logistics.
Cheers!...on the rocks!!
Lol...don't go by those pictures in sinodefence. The helicopter is not Chinese made, but "photoshopped" images claimed to be prototypes.
Cheers!...on the rocks!!
yea it's all questionable but then again every thing in life needs a Grain or two of salt. And we have a thread going on CG WZ 10 picks so far i think we have found a A Rooivalk with a fan tail a AH 64 D with chinese Markings and of course 5 "Artist's Impressions" Heck we even have a Video Game promo version on that.
India supports Western 105mm light gun artillery, 121.92mm Eastern artillery, 130mm Eastern artillery, and 155mm Western artillery. I think they even support 8 inch guns, but I am not sure. This is the army, this is not the entire forces of naval, and marine combined. Russia does support 100mm gun systems that the navy widely supports as well as 130mm, and even 3 inch (76.2mm) guns for light boats, but on the battlefield supplying so many different artillery guns can pose a complexity problem. USA supports mainly the 105mm and 155mm. Russia 152.4mm and 120mm on the battlefield. I am no economy expert, but I think China has a stronger economy than India. China is surging up in the world economy. China realized that supporting so many artillery pieces is redundant and can pose a logistical nightmare that is why they making a move to widely support their D-30 copy and 155mm 45 calibre guns. Gun artillery is still the backbone of artillery in the world.
Last edited by metalbeast; 03 Mar 05, at 23:44.
The arty systems fielded by India are as per terrain requirements. The current arty systems are:-
105mm IFG - being phased out by 130mm M-46 guns.
122mm D-30 Howitzer for mech units(Russian origin).
130mm M-46 field gun (Russian origin, and will replace all 105mm units).
155mm M-46 field howitzer (Russian origin)
155mm FH-77B (Swedish)
120mm heavy mortars for mech and mountain regions.
SP arty has 105mm and 130mm on Vijayanta chassis, but are being phased out by the T-6 155mm on Arjun chassis.
So what will remain is just three systems 122mm, 130mm and 155mm. The mountain units will still need the 120mm mortars and so will the mech units.
When we talk of artillery, then it is only army. The naval guns have different requirements so leave them out, since naval and army logistics vary.This is the army, this is not the entire forces of naval, and marine combined.
Russian arty systems use the following calibres:
100mm, 122mm, 125mm, 130mm, 152mm, and 203mm.
US arty systems use the following calibres:
Earlier the US used various calibres like the 175mm/8inch, 105mm
Heavy mortars - 107mm and 120mm.
Field/howitzer guns - 105mm, 155mm cal 39/52, 203mm(phased out).
Only the US has consolidated the type of arty systems it fields.
No doubt PRC has a much stronger economy and industrial base compared to India. India too is consolidating its arty to 130mm and 155mm (as shown by me above). However, light and heavy mortars will remain with both Indian and China for a long time.I am no economy expert, but I think China has a stronger economy than India. China is surging up in the world economy. China realized that supporting so many artillery pieces is redundant and can pose a logistical nightmare that is why they making a move to widely support their D-30 copy and 155mm 45 calibre guns.
Cheers!...on the rocks!!
please give some evidence when you give posts?
Where is the "superior position than the Chinese"?
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The very first picture in post # 141 is not from the Indo-China war, but the Korean war. Indian vehicles do not have a white star on their door.
That is 44 years old history, and it cannot be repeated. Same as 1937 when the Japanese ruled over China, it cannot be repeated again.please give some evidence when you give posts?
Where is the "superior position than the Chinese"?
Cheers!...on the rocks!!
I agree with you
we should let the war past
and China or Iindia will get nothing in the war
Many soldiers will killed in 1962,both chinese and indinan ,I don't want that happen again.
China and India are both important country and can get along well with each other.
As you said ,it will not be repeated .
The evidence has been lay out through out the site. I cited a Chinese PLA Captain who stated that the PLA cannot win unless openning a 2nd front through Pakistan.
Chimo
Thanks for the link
i agree with you wangrui,
it would be better if they join hands and form an alliance along with russia, which is regarded as apossibility by many. but it seems a bit hard after seeing the chinese posture towards pakistan and its help to pakistan to make nukes and SRBMs as well as MRBMs.
india has a military without any fighters let it be air, ground, or sea. when i say fighters, i mean men with the courage to fight and not run.
I invite you visit this website to discuss with like minded individuals
www.pakistanidefenceforum.com
Long Live Pak-China friendship.........
Seek Save Serve Medic
chopchopyou are coming dangerously close to getting banned for flamebaiting. Watch what you say and who you say it about.
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