Thread: Brigade/Regiment/Division Organization or Orbat?

They change them frequently, and are changing them again as we speak.

Piggy,

china-defense.com has a thread on the US Division changing their organisation.

It is not a communist China forum. It carries a whole lot of new reports around the world as also comments of the posters.

I belive US Army goes:

- Section
- Squad
- Platoon
- Company/Battery/Troop
- Battalion/Squadron
- Regiment
- Combat group
- Brigade
- Division
- Corps
- Army Group

Originally Posted by ChrisF202

I belive US Army goes:

- Section
- Squad
- Platoon
- Company/Battery/Troop
- Battalion/Squadron
- Regiment
- Combat group
- Brigade
- Division
- Corps
- Army Group

Remove Combat Group. Insert Task Force right after battalion. Regiment/Brigade should be on the same line.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Remove Combat Group. Insert Task Force right after battalion. Regiment/Brigade should be on the same line.

Thanks for the corrections OOE, would you happen to know how it goes in European forces?

A rose by another name.

First, to give you some history. Historically, a regt was usually two battalions - one field battalion, and one support battalion to provide replacement bodies. Thus, a bde is supposed to be a collection of several regt's 1st battalions. Some countries, especially the Russians, forgoe the support battalion and fielded a second field battalion.

In general terms, a brigade is a collection of independent battalions while a regiment is composed of battalions organic to its echelon. I've been informed by the Brigadier that InA brigades rotate their battalions in and out of the echelon. Thus, American brigades are really regiments in historic terms. However, Western brigades (including the Americans) can break down into Battalion Task Forces/Battalion Groups/Battle Groups wheras Russian/Chinese regiments cannot break down any further.

ABCA has also been known to field Combat Teams/Company Groups (essentially a combat arms company supported by a combat support company).

For practical purposes and understanding at the operational level, we follow the bde-div-corps model. The Russian/Chinese follow the regt-div-army model. You don't need to break down more than that.

I would ask the Brigadier to explain the InA model.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

However, Western brigades (including the Americans) can break down into Battalion Task Forces/Battalion Groups/Battle Groups wheras Russian/Chinese regiments cannot break down any further.

German/Russia/Chinese army organization follow same line, they rarely use brigade, their div is equal to current birgade in US army. So their regiment is equal to battalion of US army, no need to break it down.

ABCA has also been known to field Combat Teams/Company Groups (essentially a combat arms company supported by a combat support company).

For practical purposes and understanding at the operational level, we follow the bde-div-corps model. The Russian/Chinese follow the regt-div-army model. You don't need to break down more than that.

I would ask the Brigadier to explain the InA model.

They used to have corp unit as well. Anyway a US div equals to a Chinese Army in size. And now Chinese military is trying to adopt brigade model since it will be more flexible in small-scale battle.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Remove Combat Group. Insert Task Force right after battalion. Regiment/Brigade should be on the same line.

Hmm, what's a section? Is he referring to a fireteam?

Originally Posted by cateyes

German/Russia/Chinese army organization follow same line, they rarely use brigade, their div is equal to current birgade in US army. So their regiment is equal to battalion of US army, no need to break it down.

They used to have corp unit as well. Anyway a US div equals to a Chinese Army in size. And now Chinese military is trying to adopt brigade model since it will be more flexible in small-scale battle.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I was with VII Corps at the Fulda Gap and you're full of it.

Originally Posted by Ironduke

Hmm, what's a section? Is he referring to a fireteam?

I think so. A section is a British/Canadian/Australian term for squad.

Indian Army (based on the British model)

1. Section (10 men). It has a assault group and a support group (LMG).

2. Three sections make up a Platoon whihc also includes the Platoon HQ.

3. Three Platoons make up a Company which also includes the Company HQ.

4. Four Rifle Companies, One Support Company (heavy weapons like Mortars, Anti Tank Missiles, Pioneers etc) and an Administrative Company (Mechanical Transport, Medical Section, Office Staff etc), Intelligence Section, Regimental Police and the Battalion HQ constitute a Battalion.

5. Three Battalions constitutes a Brigade including a Brigade HQ, along with the Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (EME)Workshop, Signal Company etc.

6. Three Brigades, an Artillery Brigade, Armour Regiment, Signal Battalion, EME Battalion, Medical Battalion, Army Service Corps Battalion (Supply and Transport), Animal Transport Battalion (in the mountans), Engineer Regiment, Signal Regiment, etc constitutes a Divison.

7. Three Divisions a Corps.

Sir,

My most appreciative thanks.

In the InA Infantry, Regiments means affilciated battalions either by class composition or by an All India mix. Like MAHAR Regiment is an all India class mix composition of a number of like battalions while the Punjab Regiment (another Infantry Regiment of a number of battalions) have a mix of Sikhs, Punjabis and Dogris (different communties). The men are recurited and sent to the Regimental Centres and there they are given basic training and then sent to the battalions. This is so for the Comabt arms. Others have individuals posted in and out.

Our Brigades are of three battalions and they come and go once their tenure starts or is over i.e. the Brigade remains in a static in an area of responsibility but the units change on completion of their tenure. Likewise the Division remains static in its designated area of responsibility.