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    Soviet super weapon legend

    In July 28, 1980 AWST published this depiction of a potential Soviet superweapon, a particle beam weapon based on Nicola Tesla's "Scalar" work. As the legend goes there were lightening events over this site at SaryShagan tens of thousands of times that found in nature. Work of a particle beam or shield of some sort were speculated upon, but then the information seemed to stop.


    My question is what became of this legend? Was there any truth to it, and was this picture in fact an early Soviet particle weapon?

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    What I know is that on october 10 1984 (maybe I am wrong about date) Space Shuttle is space was lasered with Soviet laser for that site you write about.Some astronauts were blind for small time. It was Soviet reaction on Space Shuttle as weapon in space because of Regan space defence, later years show that Soviet laser wasnt strong to be very efective weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman
    ...a particle beam weapon based on Nicola Tesla's "Scalar" work.
    There is more misunderstanding and myth surrounding this than practically anything else Tesla ever did.

    There is no such thing as a "Scalar".

    If you study Tesla's notes and patents, you will come to understand that Tesla's use of the term was as an adjective describing electrostatic potential. IOW, he used the term literally- something is "scalar" when it varies only in magnitude (or scale). Tesla abbreviated it "SEP" in his notes (for Scalar Electrostatic Potential). He recognized that electrostatic potential is always the same no matter how it's generated, the only variable is the intensity of the charge (what we call voltage).

    He coined the term because it was descriptive, and he was a pioneer in a new field that needed new language.

    It's not a thing, it's a description of a thing. Temperature is "scalar" for the same reason.

    Tesla was a genius, and understood electromagnetism as well as anyone that has ever lived. He also thought there were little green men living on Mars, and even built a radio to talk to them.
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    and I always thought 'SEP' meant Somebody Elses Problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by highsea
    Tesla was a genius, and understood electromagnetism as well as anyone that has ever lived.
    Of course, Tesla was a Serb.

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    He also thought there were little green men living on Mars, and even built a radio to talk to them.
    You are nitpicking now.
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    In the late 1930's he sold some reasearch to the Soviets for $30,000.
    Some think it was involving this work, if I remember correctly wherever I read it.

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    Conspiracy theories abound. Lol.

    Tesla was distressed about the chances of war in Europe, and in the mid-late 30's he wrote a paper claiming he could create a defensive screen that could shoot down 10,000 planes at 250 miles, or something like that. The so-called "death ray". No one really takes this too seriously today, the power requirements would make it impractical. There are no known patents or notes surviving today on this invention.

    In any case. he presented his ideas to the US gov't and representatives from a number of allied countries. Eventually a company in New York called Amtorg Trading Company showed some interest. This company was reputed to be a front for Soviet arms dealers, but who knows. Tesla had already offered his information directly to the Soviet Union anyway, since they were an ally at the time, and received the same papers that France, England, Canada, and the US had received. In 1939, Amtorg paid Tesla $25,000.

    That pic you posted is claimed to be a satellite photo, but it has the artists signature clearly visible in the lower left!

    But SRB's comment earlier is true, in the 80's both the US and Russia were zapping each other pretty regularly with lasers in tit-for-tat exchanges.
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    Thanks Highsea. I agree with the conspricy theory idea, and if you look at the date, 1980, it was in the middle of the Cold War scare, much of which was legit, but some like this was used for raising funding by making the Sovs look 10 feet tall. I still wonder though if there is any link to partical beam weapons, and if this 'artist rendition' is a plausable depiction of an early particle beam weapon or experiment.

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    Reminds me of the old game Command and Conquer: Red Alert, and the Tesla Coils.

    A defensive structure built like a christmas tree of electrically charged rings with a large sphere on top, it projects an extremely high voltage current of electricity at a target...very nasty things indeed...especially for infantry who were became fried chicken.

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    A few years ago I watched a programme that mentioned the Soviets had developed a super nuclear bomb; it was basically an oil tanker that had been converted into a nuclear weapon. Has anyone heard anything about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scotsboyuk
    A few years ago I watched a programme that mentioned the Soviets had developed a super nuclear bomb; it was basically an oil tanker that had been converted into a nuclear weapon. Has anyone heard anything about this?
    Never heard of it, but it makes no sense to me. Nukes don't require large volumes. However, whenever I'm pretending to be a terrorist, one of my favorite plots is to sail a supertanker into New York harbor. First you can create a massive oil spill, and once the ship is mostly empty, you in effect would have the world's largest fuel air explosive. I imagine it would have as much power as a low yield nuke. Plus lighting all that oil on fire. Or maybe a liquified natural gas carrier would be even better.
    I enjoy being wrong too much to change my mind.

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    M21 mentioned this a while back and I sorta remembered it. It was the Accopolysis Ship. A tanker filled with enough fissible materials for a multi-gigaton bang. The ship was to sail up and down the Volga waiting for doomsday.

    In the end, Moscow decided that they weren't that crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
    M21 mentioned this a while back and I sorta remembered it. It was the Accopolysis Ship. A tanker filled with enough fissible materials for a multi-gigaton bang. The ship was to sail up and down the Volga waiting for doomsday.

    In the end, Moscow decided that they weren't that crazy.
    LOL. Was it on paper or did they actually produced the concept?

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    I believed that they did a few dry runs. That's how we knew about it.
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    From what I remember of the programme apparently it was built as the Soviet leadership seemingly became uncomfortable with its existence and it was dismantled.
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