The Greatest Ever Military Tanks

**ArmchairGeneral** · 06 Jun 06,, 04:05

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

If you replace the word "Turret" with the word "Hull", you did.

THAT was the picture i was referring to earlier. The penetration occured on the flank, below the skirt, between two road wheels.

As i said, that's one of the most vulnerable places on any tank.

Unfortunately, the relevant pictures posted on WAB now look like some sort of abstract art. The only pictures I could find when I googled it had the actual entry point covered with a piece of paper. However, I could tell that it was not below the side skirts. In fact, it was rather high up on the flank. It was very close to one of the joints in the armor, but it looked like it did actually penetrate one of the skirt plates.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010258/posts
About a third of the way down the page.

**Firral** · 07 Jun 06,, 19:30

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Multiple DOZENS of hits.
The RPG is a perfect example of the kind of thing i'm talking about with russian CRAP.
I read in one of the US Army AARs that the dud rate for RPG was over 30% and the MISFIRE rate(ie, the blow up in your face rate) was over 10%.
So sure, the RPG-7 is fine and dandy, when it actually works- and when it doesn't blow your face off first.

I shall not argue with yours " US Army AARs ", however I shall assume that these data have been based on the Iraq RPG. The matter is that Iraq used rockets PG-7V and PG-7VM made in the USSR the end of the seventieth years, or own (and can Chinese?) manufactures. Those that have been made in the USSR already have spent the guarantee on the validity (considering bad conditions of storage). And the Iraq and Chinese fakes always had bad quality. Therefore there is nothing surprising in a plenty of misfires.
However such does not meet in my practice: at shooting from the RPG-7 misfires are very rare (one can on 20 or 30 shots) though used rockets as rules have age from 5 till 15 years.

**Triple C** · 12 Jun 06,, 12:21

Firral, come to think about it, wouldn't the joint nature of MBT-70 project necessitate the Germans to adopt an autoloader EVEN IF they are using 120mm that is more efficiently loaded by hand?

**Firral** · 12 Jun 06,, 13:25

Originally Posted by Triple C

Firral, come to think about it, wouldn't the joint nature of MBT-70 project necessitate the Germans to adopt an autoloader EVEN IF they are using 120mm that is more efficiently loaded by hand?

Probably the reason was the high price?

**anand1266** · 20 Jun 06,, 10:27

should our indian tank arjuna appear here? LOL

well i dont hv much knowledge about tanks but would like to know where arjuna stands here among the famous and powerful !!!

**Officer of Engineers** · 20 Jun 06,, 13:22

Not a very good standing, especially when your own army doesn't think too much of it.

**Dreadnought** · 20 Jun 06,, 19:12

Col. Sir, a question. Since so many here seem to know about tanks (various) can anybody tell me about any tanks built by Baldwin Locomotive works in Pennsylvania? They say they turned them out like hotcakes. Not sure which brand though. Thanks.

Found this Sir,
The M3, Grant, Lee Variations.

The M3 is a direct result of the T5E2 which, in experiments, had used a pack howitzer in the sponson position. The first M3 was built at Rock Island Arsenal in mid March 1941 and by the end of that same month Baldwin Locomotive, Pressed Steel, Pullman Standard, Chrysler also known as the Detroit Arsenal, and GMC were gearing up to start production. Designed with a 75mm, a 37mm and twin .30cal MGs, the tank packed a nasty punch. The armor was riveted - but thick at up to 2 inches on the M3. Most were built with the Wright radial engine but late models used a Continental. Some were even fitted with the Guiberson model T1400 diesel engine. The diesel was never really adopted for Army use, even though experiments were carried out, due to wartime needs by the Navy. The diesel engine version was exported to GB. All sorts of conversions were tried and applied including bridge layers, recovery vehicles, and self propelled guns. The M3 would serve in at least a support role all during WW2 and is considered one of the most important armored vehicles of WW2. Production ceased December 1942

M3 - 295
M3A2 - 12
M3A3 - 322
M3A5 - 591

And to think they built these just a few miles from home. The shops are still there to this day.