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Reply With QuoteMore than you can trust Pakistan. India and China do not dance around one another. They talk turkey. You may not be the best of friends but you are alot better neigbours than you believe.
with commies ruling china.... how much can you trust China...Originally Posted by Tronic
More than you can trust Pakistan. India and China do not dance around one another. They talk turkey. You may not be the best of friends but you are alot better neigbours than you believe.
Chimo
I believe that too.
1) Found the topic very interesting..
2) First 8 pages or so started off great...
3) Few pages after that almost turned into a flame war...
4) Mid to upper teen pages were kinda slow...
5) Closed out the rest of the pages with a bang...
Final conclusion:
Probably the most fun I had reading any of the threads anywhere.
Thanks guys.
Learned alot and know alot more about the China/India relationship.
AWESOME THREAD
bro... you picked up on the wrong stuff... this thread has nothing to do with India/China relationship...
Nabha Sparasham Deeptam
-Touch The Sky With Glory
True, but it peaked my interest enough to go hunting for information over the net. Don't know how much I can rely on the net for that sorta info but it was very interesting nonetheless.
The Chinese also have a load of insiders within India in the form of Leftist covert groups and Maoist rebels and Naxalite sympathizers
After Chinese red wine, a Tibetan hiccup
- Bhai-bhai and big brother
SUJAN DUTTA (The Telegraph, Nov 1 2006)
Hu, Sonia: Tough call?
Heap of Stones, India-China Line of Actual Control, Oct. 31: An Indian brigadier and his Chinese counterpart locked arms and sipped from goblets of Yunnan red wine in this frontier area yesterday amid hopes that the warmth will wash down from the icy Tibetan tableland to Delhi and Beijing.
India is hoping that the warmth that cuts the chill among old soldiers will radiate also from the visit by Hu Jintao — the first by a Chinese head of state in a decade — scheduled from November 20.
But the highs are likely to be punctuated in the interim by the visit of Sonia Gandhi to Tawang, the garrison town in Arunachal Pradesh’s Kameng district, 37 km downhill from here.
The Congress chief is slated to visit Tawang’s famous monastery on November 5. The monastery is patronised by the Indian Army and is a symbol of India’s enduring support for the Dalai Lama and his Tibetan cause. A predecessor of the Dalai Lama founded the shrine that follows Tibetan Mahayana Buddhism.
Col Li Ming and Brigadier Sanjay Kulkarni enjoy a drink after the meeting at Bumla. (Below)US Marines practise yoga during Shatrujeet, a joint Indo-US army exercise in Belgaum, Karnataka, on Tuesday. Pictures by Eastern Projections, AP
Brigadier Sanjay Kulkarni, who led the Indian delegation at the border personnel meeting, heads the garrison at Tawang. His troops face the Chinese frontier guard across Bumla where the McMahon Line-Line of Actual Control-International Boundary (disputed borders have many descriptions) is marked by a heap of stones and is named as such.
On the Chinese side of the LAC, under a nylon People’s Liberation Army tent, Senior Colonel Li Ming of the PLA Border Defence Regiment forced the Yunnan Red Wine down the brigadier, who was forced to break a fast. From another tent, the smell of Chinese dishes — such as chicken claw with chilli salad and deep fried chicken claws — wafted across the flat plane at 15,500 feet above sea level.
Forty-four years ago in 1962, Chinese forces broke into India through Bumla, inflicting a humiliating defeat on the Indian military and rattling Jawaharlal Nehru’s government. More than 2,400 soldiers of the Indian Army were killed.
At the Heap of Stones — where the officers later threw a pebble each to denote a wish for lasting friendship — in sub-zero temperatures, there was in the event an advertisement of bonhomie.
Border personnel meetings are held at Bumla four times every year, twice on the Indian side and twice on the Chinese. This was on Chinese territory but yesterday’s event has been invested with more importance than on previous occasions because it backgrounds Hu’s visit.
Chinese toys as deadly as guns
SUJAN DUTTA (The Telegraph, Nov 2 2006)
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Brigadier Sanjay Kulkarni hugs his Chinese counterpart Col Li Ming An after a border meeting at Bumla on Monday. (AP)
Lately in Bumla and Tawang: A blue plastic helicopter, two grey plastic aircraft and two dolls are among the playthings displayed on a wooden table inside an operations centre of the Indian Army.
This is the garrison that is emerging as the Indian Army’s “Peace Brigade” with China in Arunachal’s Kameng district where soldiers from the two sides fraternise four times a year.
A placard above the exhibits reads: “Invasion of Chinese Toys”.
In this frontier that evokes memories of a tragic war, playthings inside a war-room are as dissimilar as gulab jamun and tomato ketchup. They are also very similar.
A Chinese officer found the gulab jamun served to him during the first of the border meetings in 2003 so sweet that he wanted to spice it up with dollops of ketchup. But this Monday, the Indian officers inside the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) tent during the latest border guard meeting made no such error. Even if the dish that was served did not quite suit their palate, they nibbled at it. If the Indian Army has begun to acquire a taste for the Chinese, the Chinese have reciprocated in kind.
At a meeting on October 1, China’s national day, Chinese girls wiggled their hips for the Indian guests and danced like Raveena Tandon to the hot (if outdated) Bollywood number “Tu cheez badi hai mast mast...”.
It is easy to conclude from the eating and the dancing on the Line of Actual Control that India and China are killing rivalry and celebrating with each other ahead of Chinese President Hu Jintao’s visit to New Delhi later this month.
“We are probably moving towards a time when we would not have to patrol this frontier like we do now,” says Brigadier Sanjay Kulkarni.
Electronic equipment and surveillance gadgetry can gradually take over responsibilities that take a toll on both armies in the harsh climes. That will happen with increasing trust. The eating and the dancing between the soldiers means the trust deficit is decreasing.
But the reality is that the rivalry is intensifying so deeply on another front, away from the borders, that even the armies are sensitised to it.
Even on the road from Bumla — that was built by the Chinese during their 1962 humiliation of the Indian Army — the soldiers are beginning to worry about China’s toys like its guns. Threat perceptions along the border with China have altered so radically that the Indian Army is increasingly worrying for the economy in addition to its capabilities that are military.
The mini-exhibition of the Chinese plastic toys — the helicopters, the aircraft and the dolls — symbolise the new concerns. The exhibition is in a room that also has mannequins of Chinese soldiers and identifiers of ranks in the PLA.
In the adjoining hall, there is a large sand model of the area of the Line of Actual Control in the Kameng sector. There are coloured tags for Chinese and Indian positions and highlighters for Chinese “intrusions” across the LAC. Photography is prohibited.
But the army officer who is explaining the intricacies of patrolling the icy Tibetan heights of Bumla is uncomfortable with the word “intrusion”.
“It is just a different perception on where the LAC should be,” he explains.
“Our threats are more indicated by this,” he moves from the sand model to the displayed toys — cheap Chinese imports that threaten Indian businesses.
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