China vs India

**Tronic** · 14 May 06,, 07:16

oh and OoE... one more thing... almost forgot to ask about the Navy... would the Chinese send a fleet to the Indian Coast or vic-versa... what would be the results of a naval face-off...

**gunnut** · 14 May 06,, 07:18

If I were to hazard a guess, neither China nor India has the ability to operate a fleet that far from home waters.

**dabrownguy** · 14 May 06,, 07:19

Okay even so I doubt China could feed half a million soldiers.
Does anyone know if the InA would deploy Prithvis against PLA if they deployed their 2nd artillery?
Guys I think the InN could atleast be deployed near Mallacca stoping some trade to China via India Ocean. While keeping the other fleet near Pak. Cause you never know them Pakistanis! I wondar how important Saudi oil is to China?

**Samudra** · 14 May 06,, 07:25

If I were to hazard a guess, neither China nor India has the ability to operate a fleet that far from home waters.

Klubs on Kilos?

Wont cause much damage on ground, but a few Klubs lobbed into Shanghai or Chennai/Kolkatta must be fun to watch.The adversary gains a psy-op advantage, no?

**Tronic** · 14 May 06,, 07:26

hmm... yea, never thought of that... Prithvi's are road-mobile... Although we don't have any designated units using the Prithvi's in these Artillery Units like the Chinese do, there is still a capability to use the Prithvi's in a similar fashion the Chinese use their missiles...

**dabrownguy** · 14 May 06,, 07:28

If they get past InN. A lot more difficulte considering their air arm of Il-36 May upgraded and Tu-142. But the chances are always their. But I would bet the InN has would have this done before PLAN.

From Kargil to China?

**Tronic** · 14 May 06,, 07:29

Originally Posted by Samudra

Klubs on Kilos?

Wont cause much damage on ground, but a few Klubs lobbed into Shanghai or Chennai/Kolkatta must be fun to watch.The adversary gains a psy-op advantage, no?

The Indian Navy can come up with some wort of blockade in that little area under Indonesia... i'm guessing thats where the Chinese would have to go through... and then we have the Andaman naval base which sort of extends the navies range so blockading that little area wouldn't be a problem...

**dabrownguy** · 14 May 06,, 07:34

Prithvis are indeed road mobile.

**gunnut** · 14 May 06,, 07:50

Originally Posted by Samudra

Klubs on Kilos?

Wont cause much damage on ground, but a few Klubs lobbed into Shanghai or Chennai/Kolkatta must be fun to watch.The adversary gains a psy-op advantage, no?

Well, Kilo is not designed as an ocean going sub. Being diesel, it's quiet but has limited range, especially submerged. It has to stay surfaced to get its 6000 mile range. Then there's the implications of running some warships through the Malacca Strait. Singapore and Malaysia won't be happy about it.

**dabrownguy** · 14 May 06,, 08:30

Originally Posted by gunnut

Well, Kilo is not designed as an ocean going sub. Being diesel, it's quiet but has limited range, especially submerged. It has to stay surfaced to get its 6000 mile range. Then there's the implications of running some warships through the Malacca Strait. Singapore and Malaysia won't be happy about it.

Got me there.

**Chinawhite** · 14 May 06,, 10:56

Anyways I started this thread because ChinaWhite poster claimed PLA could support 500 000 mouths and barrels in Tibet.

Jatt,

When you make a statment like that, You need to qoute the person accuratly.

I stated that the PLA deployed 500,000 troops in TIBET during the COLD WAR. This was in your reply that the PLA could only deploy 100,000 soldiers in tibet in contrast to indias 500,000 soldiers.

Also this was not a CURRENT situation it was a possible comparison to the 50,000 figure you said was the maximum. I even question you about when the cnflct would have taken place

""""""""When are you factoring this conflict?. Im talking the 60s. Which time are you talking about""""""

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Half the PLA Army?

While in the same thread someone poster was replying that i made a claim that 6million PLA soldiers were going to deployed againest india

Here is the quote
"""""""""""'6 million troops? you think you can transfer every SINGLE soldier from their military district just to fight India? Soon you won't have any soldiers to kill your populace with.""""""""""""

If anyone is stupid enough to think i mean that 6million chinese soldiers will be sent to tibet needs to think logically since my post was directed towards Jatts post here

"India was setting to moblise 200 000 thousand men while China had a lot less and not enough logistics support"

Good bless the ignorant

Here is the thread

**Chinawhite** · 14 May 06,, 11:44

Originally Posted by dabrownguy

In my opinon because of Indias better infastructure near Tibet

Yet to be proven

Not only that the IAF could also do more air lifts while the PLAAF will be limited on the number of aircraft, airbases and altitude problems.

Airbases and altitude problems?

How much indian planes do you think could fly from their bases over the himalayas to attack chinese positions while the PLA SAMs will have formed some sort of unberalla to defend the PLA on ground

Now please go on to list the problems of operating at that altitude since they would be LONG-term instead of short term effects. Why would a high bypass engine have trouble operating at that altitude. espically when its fitted with variable intakes

Thus InA could take parts of Tibet while PLA would be deployed on the defensive.

Again, Yet to be seem

During the kagril war ligthly armed militants without supplies, air support mnaged to hold off the indian army of 30,000 men with air support for two months of combat. managing to inflict about 2000 casulties. They HAD to be supplied using helicopters because of the enviroment and the need to get supplies there quickly. How big is the fleet of indian helicopters near the chinese border. Does the mountain treaks have room for a supply column to support even 20,000 indian troops while the path goes from sea level to 8000meters?

I doubt the indian airforce will have free reign to bomb chinese positions while having to defend againest chinese artillery

**Chinawhite** · 14 May 06,, 11:47

Originally Posted by dabrownguy

Once Vietnam and Russia take grab a share in the chaos PLA is gonna have quite the time trying to take it back. Plus it would be really humilating. CCP could collapse if its image becomes weak.

Want to turn this polictical?

**dabrownguy** · 14 May 06,, 23:40

Also this was not a CURRENT situation it was a possible comparison to the 50,000 figure you said was the maximum. I even question you about when the cnflct would have taken place

I said 100 000 could be deployed to Tibet.

While in the same thread someone poster was replying that i made a claim that 6million PLA soldiers were going to deployed againest india

While you were comparing just numbers.

If anyone is stupid enough to think i mean that 6million chinese soldiers will be sent to tibet needs to think logically since my post was directed towards Jatts post here

God bless you.
I was posting about the 1962 war. When PLA walked into India. Thats why the PLA pulled back. You replied with PLA had 6 million soldiers and 3000 aircraft.

Yet to be proven

India
http://www.a1indiahotels.com/images/...ia_roadmap.gif
Tibet
http://www.coolscooters.info/tibetmaps/district_map.jpg

How much indian planes do you think could fly from their bases over the himalayas to attack chinese positions while the PLA SAMs will have formed some sort of unberalla to defend the PLA on ground

Not Chinese positions. Just roads, railways bridges. Keep the engineers busy. I wonder how many birdges are in Tibet?

Now please go on to list the problems of operating at that altitude since they would be LONG-term instead of short term effects. Why would a high bypass engine have trouble operating at that altitude. espically when its fitted with variable intakes

You mean a FishBed wouldn't have less payload due to the thinner air at higher altitudes?

During the kagril war ligthly armed militants without supplies, air support mnaged to hold off the indian army of 30,000 men with air support for two months of combat. managing to inflict about 2000 casulties. They HAD to be supplied using helicopters because of the enviroment and the need to get supplies there quickly. How big is the fleet of indian helicopters near the chinese border

Yet they still could take parts of Tibet. Its about winning and demoralizing the enemy. In the end the nation that has captured the most land and POW has won a victory. What could China accomplish?

I doubt the indian airforce will have free reign to bomb chinese positions while having to defend againest chinese artillery

AA Artillery? Do you realize the trouble they'll have to go through to get it to Tibet and keep feeding? Its easier to get some pounders to dystory Indian positions. And this isn't Kargil for the Airforce anymore. Kargil the only successfull aircraft was the Mirage. Now the IAF has more options. Floggers,Flankers,Jagaurs can drop LGB as well.

**Officer of Engineers** · 15 May 06,, 01:19

Originally Posted by dabrownguy

What could China accomplish?

Sorry, here but I can see you've walked right into a Chinese trap sort of speak. The Chinese likes nothing better than a single battle of anhilation ... and you've just given them one ... on their home ground.

Originally Posted by dabrownguy

AA Artillery? Do you realize the trouble they'll have to go through to get it to Tibet and keep feeding?

You might have a case if the Chinese had to drag their supplies from outside of Tibet. You don't have a case after the fact that the Chinese have already stockpiled for the region.