Julie

Saddam should have been removed long ago....all leaders have been too whimpy to do it....yeah and that includes George's Dad as well.

The oil has to be protected since it is their only form of revenue....because it is such an underdeveloped country, otherwise the millions of Iraqis would starve to death. Ancient relics won't feeds millions of people.

I'm from the South, ..... are you insinuating I am "uneducated?"

gangsta540i

Well they had a reason to attack Iraq when bush's dad was involved and they should have gotten the job done. I agree with that but I don't agree with the current reason to attack Iraq. If they said he had weapons of mass destruction they should have proved it and I think in my opinion which i'm entitled to that this war wasn't worth 1000+ soldiers dying and leaving their loved ones behind for a war that posed no immediate threat considering he ( saddam ) didn't even have enough bullets for his own army.

Listen regarding the oil all I know from my understanding and what I have been reading and watching is that he wanted to have a controlling interest in the oil and i'm not here to initiate arguments so lets leave it at that.

Regarding about the south being uneducated if you took it that way that was not my intention. What I meant is that the educated and noneducated people living in middle america and the south are devout republicans and will always choose them regardless of what they offer it's just what they do. And the outer areas of America chose kerry because they don't care if their republican or democratic all they want is the better person that can do the job.

Confed999

The only difference between the reasons is one had Kuwait, and the other an ignored cease-fire. If it was for oil alone, the sanctions would have simply been lifted.
I'm educated, and I voted for Bush because I could see from Kerry's record he couldn't do the job. I'm registered independant/Libertarian though.

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Abbott

Your right, I do not care if candidates are Democratic or Republican. I live in Oregon, a state that voted Kerry. I have a degree. I also choose who I thought was the better man for the job, I voted for Bush.

Gio

Bush won college and high school graduates, though.

lwarmonger

75000 dead Kurds in addition to uncounted Iranians proved it to nearly every intelligence agency on the planet. Also, President Bush waited to intervene until France said that even with definitive proof that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction that they would veto a call for military action.

Of course he did. Just as the United States had a controlling interest in Japanese and German industry after WWII. If you crush all existing organization, then you have to make a new one, but while you are doing that, it is necessary to directly administer it yourself.

I live on a college campus. Most of these students do not vote democratic because they have educated opinions on politics. They vote democratic based on slogans and prejudice. Characterizing everyone on your side as reasoned, while everyone else is just a fanatical demogogue is disproving the "your side is reasoned" arguement. I'd have to say that there are reasoned individuals on both sides, but I know I can make a better arguement for long term power under Republican philosophies than any reasoned Democrat I've met. Generally we end up agreeing that they don't care about national power, and because of that they vote Democratic. Since I do care about having a strong nation over the long term, at some small expenses today, I vote Republican.

Bluesman

Embrace history, genius. The 'Solid South' is a phrase that used to mean solidly Democratic. It now means solidly REPUBLICAN, and we're talking about recent developments, here. So, your assertion that "...the educated and noneducated people living in middle america and the south are devout republicans and will always choose them..." is bunk.

YOU are the prejudiced and ignorant one, here, sportsman. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. The people of the South and middle America are CONSERVATIVE, and will vote that way, NOT by party.

HOWEVER, the BLUE staters are MUCH more committed to PARTY affiliation. Your argument has been stood on its head.

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Bluesman

Oh, my wife and I live in Florida (that's in the South, skidmark), we're both MENSAns, and we BOTH VOTED FOR BUSH.

For someone that can barely compose a rational thought and seems to have literacy problems, you've got a lot o' dam' gall to be casting aspersions on the intellect of others based on your misperceptions of their voting habits.

Seems kind of...oh, I don't know...ironic.

TopHatter

Heh heh...I think MIKEMUN was right, these types seem to crawl out of the woodwork...or sewer...with frightening regularity
Love that screen name too...gangsta...urban thug...Snipe, you're killing me

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TexasOutlaw

Gangsta...one other thing that hasn't been mentioned that much on this thread...We as a nation does not get as much oil from the Mid-East as you are being led to believe. While we do have our own reserves *last I was told 100yrs worth*, we also get 90% of our oil from South America. That you can ask anybody that works in the drilling and exploration department of any American Oil Company.

I'll give you the top 5 in the world to contact.

Halliburton
Weatherford International
Schlumberger
Baker
Smith Tool

Dont believe all that CNN tells you...

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gangsta540i

Wow, alot of anger their Bluesman, I'm glad I pissed you off even though I don't give a crap about what you say. Regarding you thinking that i'm uneducated or have literacy problems, I am actually quite educated and have acheived alot of accomplishments in my life so don't make an assumption on someone unless you know the facts.

Maybe you should RATIONALLY think about keeping you mouth shut because you can't keep mine shut and just because I hate Bush and that makes you angry doesn't mean I'll stop and won't answer back. nuff said.

Confed999

He did have a good point about the South being Democrat until recently.

Bluesman

I see by the above post that you got your money's worth out of that free public education.

Actually, junior, I was trying to point out that you have literacy problems, and those two paragraphs that you just mangled really goes a long way - ALL the way, actually - to proving my point.

I'm not a spelling-and-grammer Nazi, but really, if you're trying to come off as something other than a grade-school temper-tantrum-prone special-ed kid, you should at least not give your opponent any ammunition.

You're an ignorant punk. You're dismissed.

rotorooter

No, he did not.

Kerry won the vote of college graduates.

You may be right about the high school part though.


Overall more uneducated+little-eductaed people voted for Bush.

IMO it is the religious people who made the difference, which is kind of scarry since we want secular govt. in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan but on home front we have elected religious govt.!

As you can see religious people in big majority voted for Bush.

WHITE EVANGELICAL/BORN-AGAIN? BUSH KERRY NADER
TOTAL 2004 2000 2004 2004

Yes (23%)---------------------------- 78% ---- 21% ----0%
No (77%) -----------------------------43% ----- 56%---- 0%



VOTE BY CHURCH ATTENDANCE BUSH
KERRY NADER
TOTAL 2004 2000 2004 2004

More Than Weekly (16%) 64% +1 35% 1%

Weekly (26%) 58% +1 41% 0%

Monthly (14%) 50% +4 49% *

A Few Times a Year (28%) 45% +3 54% 0%

Never (15%) 36% +4 62% 1%



VOTE BY CHURCH ATTENDANCE BUSH
KERRY NADER
TOTAL 2004 2000 2004 2004

Weekly (41%) 61% n/a 39% 0%

Occasionally (40%) 47% n/a 53% 0%

Never (14%) 36% n/a 62% 1%

Confed999

Where are your stats on that? I've never seen Gio wrong with his statistics.
Huh? Kerry claimed to be a Christian too. There's a difference between a religious person and a theocracy.