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Old 04-24-2005, 22:01 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The worst president by far is George. W. Bush. I don't even want to start with him.
His second term isn't completed, so he would not be a candidate at this point in time. He may still have a few rabbits to pull from the hat.
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:12 AM   #32 (permalink)
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"Despite his involvement of the US in the Vietnam war, I have to say that LBJ is my favorite pres. His micro management of the war was bad for US strategic planning, but the purpose was to ensure that things didn't get out of hand and cause China or the USSR to get involved. He got the US started in Vietnam because he felt that we had to fight communism militarily or watch the world fall to it. Not that I agree with his actions, but I can rationalize them for the thinking of the day.
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You've GOT to be kidding me.

Johnson was a moron of the highest order.
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:13 AM   #33 (permalink)
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"The worst president by far is George. W. Bush. I don't even want to start with him."

Don't you have some drugs to deal or something Gangsta boy?
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Old 04-25-2005, 14:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
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if i recall correctly South Carolina decided to not break from the Union, because they realized that their boasts meant nothing and that by joining the South they would only worsten their economy, not because Jackson was stupid enough to send the army and navy.
Joining the South??? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! in 1833 South Carolina was the only state clamoring for sucession, and if not for the mobilization of the Military forces ready to pounce South Carolina would have gotten away with it.
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Old 04-25-2005, 14:50 PM   #35 (permalink)
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If you call someone who cost the North hundreds of thousands of lives in a horrific war of atrition a great general then sure. But personally I would consider one who finishes it fast with little casulties and with positive conditions a great general.
The war of attrition was fought mostly while grant was in the west. Blame the incompetent generals who commanded the army of the potomic before Meade.
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Old 04-25-2005, 19:25 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I vote for Clinton, though it will be years before we know the extent of the damage he did. He all but gave the keys to Los Alamos to China, and all those nuke designs, neutron bomb, etc.- that stuff will all get built someday.

Clinton gave the "keys to Los Alamos to China"? What you smokin' there? The tech transfers to China were started under Bush 41.
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Old 04-25-2005, 20:46 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Actually, it was Gore that was buddy buddy with the Chinese.

They even made contributions to his campaign in 2000.

What clinton did was direct the US to use russian weapons systems, idiot that he was. Fortunately the Navy sufficiently dragged it's feet until Clinton was gone, and we now use a US system in place of the Russian KH-31.
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Old 04-25-2005, 23:00 PM   #38 (permalink)
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What clinton did was direct the US to use russian weapons systems, idiot that he was. Fortunately the Navy sufficiently dragged it's feet until Clinton was gone, and we now use a US system in place of the Russian KH-31.
I don't get what you are referring to. Please ellucidate.
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:43 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Clinton gave the "keys to Los Alamos to China"? What you smokin' there? The tech transfers to China were started under Bush 41.
Espionage at Los Alamos went on for 5 years on Clinton's watch. He whitewashed the entire scandal for 4 more years after it was uncovered, never charged Lee, and in the meantime relaxed restrictions on some highly sensitive technologies to China.

He was responsible for providing China with advanced US missile tech through Loral, China gained our satellite encryption technology from a failed 1996 launch of a Loral sat (by removing the encryption chips from the debris). He approved the sale of supercomputers capable of modeling advanced nuclear weapons. He approved advanced machinery sales (Cincinatti 5-axis stretch presses) to China, which were diverted to the J-11 production line (against the end user license). He allowed them to acquire our single crystal metallurgy for turbine blades- critical technology for high performance jet engines.

And as Snipe mentioned, the KH-31 deal with Russia- what a disaster that was. We had a perfectly good US-made missile for the SSST, the Talos/Sea Snake- one that actually worked as advertised. Clinton decided to buy KH-31's from Russia instead of using the US made missile, and it was such a poor performer that we had to modify an F-4 into a launch drone just to run the tests.

Clinton decided to send engineers from Boeing and McDonnell Douglas to Russia to redesign the KH-31 so it could meet the Navy's requirements. The spec called for a target that could go 50nm on the surface, and the best it could do was 16nm. That little transfer of technology allowed Russia to develop the Sunburn into the missile it is today.

I could go on, but I'm not going to bother. Whether you want to talk about gutting the US military and intelligence departments, or giving away sensitive technology, Clinton was a disaster for US defense.
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Old 04-26-2005, 03:27 AM   #40 (permalink)
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"The worst president by far is George. W. Bush. I don't even want to start with him."

Don't you have some drugs to deal or something Gangsta boy?
Awwww, Sniper is getting angry now that I said something about his sleeping buddy. Listen kid you don't even know me so shut the hell up. I don't support a president that has no justification to going to war except that his daddy said to get rid of saddam because he couldn't finish the job himself. I'm not saying that Saddam was good, personally I think he's the worst person that ever lived but their is no justification for this war ( oh ya oil ) except claiming their was weapons of mass destruction but he didn't realize the only weapon of mass destruction is himself.

Instead of focusing on America and the economy he digs a hole and attacks Iraq and the soilders have to pay for his WEAK intelligence. He should maybe think about the american people more and jobs they need and the problems they have and go after the terrorist that might cause a concern for America. He's just good for increasing the budget deficet. We'll see if he can turn things around in the second term to save his ass but if he doesn't he did a very crappy job. No wonder half of America was divided this election.
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Old 04-26-2005, 05:37 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Awwww, Sniper is getting angry now that I said something about his sleeping buddy. Listen kid you don't even know me so shut the hell up. I don't support a president that has no justification to going to war except that his daddy said to get rid of saddam because he couldn't finish the job himself. I'm not saying that Saddam was good, personally I think he's the worst person that ever lived but their is no justification for this war ( oh ya oil ) except claiming their was weapons of mass destruction but he didn't realize the only weapon of mass destruction is himself.

Instead of focusing on America and the economy he digs a hole and attacks Iraq and the soilders have to pay for his WEAK intelligence. He should maybe think about the american people more and jobs they need and the problems they have and go after the terrorist that might cause a concern for America. He's just good for increasing the budget deficet. We'll see if he can turn things around in the second term to save his ass but if he doesn't he did a very crappy job. No wonder half of America was divided this election.




Another one of those...They seem to be coming out of the woodworks these days... ..It must be killing you that Bush won,right???

And define divided..
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Old 04-26-2005, 09:59 AM   #42 (permalink)
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If the war was for oil, how come the prices are going up? Fighting for oil is a smart thing, it is very hard to get.
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Old 04-26-2005, 11:56 AM   #43 (permalink)
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"Awwww, Sniper is getting angry now that I said something about his sleeping buddy. Listen kid you don't even know me so shut the hell up."

You don't know me either nitwit.

"I don't support a president that has no justification to going to war except that his daddy said to get rid of saddam because he couldn't finish the job himself."

Wow, did you come up with that all by your widdle wonesome?

Impressive....

"I'm not saying that Saddam was good, personally I think he's the worst person that ever lived but their is no justification for this war"

You just gave all the justification any rational man should ever need.

To wit: "All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".
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"( oh ya oil )"

LOL....you're serious, aren't you?

"except claiming their was weapons of mass destruction but he didn't realize the only weapon of mass destruction is himself."

The intelligence agencies of over 20 nations(including Russia, The UK, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel and Kuwait) all said Saddam had WMD. Based on the universal presumption of Iraqs WMD arsenal, it was highly prudent to act when we did.

"We'll see if he can turn things around in the second term to save his ass but if he doesn't he did a very crappy job. No wonder half of America was divided this election."

Such a crappy job, and an electorate so divided, that he won by 3.5 million votes.

Go figure eh Gangsta boy?

So what's up with that screen name? Are you an urban thug? Living the Gangsta life are you? Do ya shoot with your gat tilted to the side?

LOL...Gangsta...
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Old 04-26-2005, 14:34 PM   #44 (permalink)
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That is priceless!

Edit: because I was laughing so hard I misspelled priceless.

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Old 04-26-2005, 19:27 PM   #45 (permalink)
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[quote=M21SniperYou don't know me either nitwit.

Wish I never did dumbass.

"( oh ya oil )"

LOL....you're serious, aren't you?

Ya I am serious, maybe you should watch the news and get more information on the topic your talking about instead of getting it out of you butt.

I'll give you an example. When America practically defeated Iraq the iraqi citizens started to massively loot everything that they can, not to mention ancient work and art from the beginning of civilization from iraqi museams. Guess what the Americans did instead of protecting drawings and other important stuff that can never be recovered ( considering they wanted to free iraqi citizens from saddam and preserve their identity ) that signifed the start of a civilization and Iraq, they were busy guarding the ministry of oil building.

"except claiming their was weapons of mass destruction but he didn't realize the only weapon of mass destruction is himself."

The intelligence agencies of over 20 nations(including Russia, The UK, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel and Kuwait) all said Saddam had WMD. Based on the universal presumption of Iraqs WMD arsenal, it was highly prudent to act when we did.

Where are they? I don't see them, judging by what your saying about the other countries intelligence agencies saying he had them, your accusing their agencies by saying their intelligence flatly sucks.

Such a crappy job, and an electorate so divided, that he won by 3.5 million votes.

Ya mostly " middle " america and down south were all the rednecks and the Bush is the greatest mentality is. Have you notice the surrounding areas of America were most of the more urban and educated people live all wanted Kerry.

So what's up with that screen name? Are you an urban thug? Living the Gangsta life are you? Do ya shoot with your gat tilted to the side?

You seem to know more of this "gangsta" life than I do, unfortunetly you should grow some balls and act your age and stop worrying about my screen name and start worrying about what the hell your talking about.

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