Officer of Engineers

As much as I agreed that Kap'Yong was a major turning point in the Korean War, it was NOT the pitch battle that many others were in history. 2 PPCLI was fresh while the Chinese divisions were exhausted. We had the NZ battery support while the Chinese only had infantry.

The truth was that even if the Chinese had managed to overwhelm 2 PPCLI, they were done. They could not do anything more. They were that exhausted.

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astralis

canmoore,

well, if you want to see a korean war movie in general,

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/taegukgi/

of course, as with most korean movies, it is emotionally overwrought. and i would generally believe that the heroics shown in the movie would have resulted in the death of the heroes a lot sooner than is actually shown.

but hey...it's a war movie.

Dreadnought

Lmao cheers

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YellowFever

My Father's review of that film.....
(He was a Sergeant in the Korean Marines. Shot twice, once in the hand and shoulder)

A pretty accurate depiction of "how it was" in the early days of that war. Hard to believe that he actually thinks "real life" was alot worse than shown in that movie. Some of the "grunt" scene where the soldier on the ground talk and joke during lulls in the battle made him actually laugh out loud because he says those were excellently depicted. About all he really remembers were the countless hours he scrounged for food mingled with moments of pure terror. The "heroism" portryed in the movie by the leading characters were pretty accurate he says. Although he says they weren't done for patriotism but rather some of them wanted to die than live under the conditions they were forced to live in. Others simply "broke" and turned insane and just wanted to kill as much of the commies as they could before they got killed.
He says the medical care was worse than portrayed in the movie. He still has a bullet lodged in his shoulder. They just applioed some liquid and bandaged it and let it heal over becuase they didn't have the tools to remove it.
Alot of his fellow Marines resented the hell out of the American G.I.s as they were treated as "gooks" and subhuman but my father understood it was their way (American G.I.'s) of dealing with war.

(Funny side story: During Desert Storm, CNN showed an American soldier pulling the string to fire an artillary round and then turning to his loader to high-five him. My sister said something about how barbaric it was for that man to high-five another soldier after he loosed a round that probably killed people. My father started laughing out loud. He said something to the effect of, "American G.I.'s..those sunavu*****es.." He said it with pride. I don't know why he laughed or the pride he felt ...that's something I couldn't bring myself to ask him)

To sum it up:
My dad says the battle scenes were pretty accurate and he, like you OoE, thought the over-dramatization was pure vanilla. It was the only thing he didn't like about the movie. At the end of the movie, he didn't say a word, he just went to his room and started to cry.

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AlpErTunga

I want to see Gallipoli Battle or Dardanelles War on film. After or during this war; enemies became colleague, Russian Empire became Soviet Union, sick man Ottoman defeated British and French armies and navies, Mustafa Kemal became Anafartalar Hero, etc... Consequences of this battle were amazing according to me.

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PubFather

I'd love to see the battle of Megiddo - the one in World War One where General "Bloody Bull" Allenby crushes the Ottomans despite their army being propped up by Austrians and Germans...

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Expat Canuck

The Scottish where bound to lose that one, no clue why any idiot would pick that location as a battle site. When you go there and look the first thing you do is go man no wonder we lost.

Culloden is why I'm Canadian.



I want to see the Canadian scrap at Ortona.


I just saw a preview for Flyboys about WW1 pilots, so seeing that when it's out!!!!!

Expat Canuck

Funny how Gallipoli ensured Turkey would be an effective fighting force the next time around only on our side!

Gallipoli was important I agree.

Anon

LOL, i posted the link to the trailor 9 posts above your own.

pdf27

Was there anything particularly exceptional about that battle, and if so can you direct me to some sources on it? From the potted history that's gone up here so far, it sounds pretty similar to actions like Gloster Hill in the same war, and no doubt a number of others too.

PubFather

Remember that roughly half of the "English" army was made up of lowland Scots.
Lowlanders regarded the Highlanders as primitive barbarians. Lowlanders spoke "Scots" (a derivative of "English"), the Highlanders Gaelic. Lowlanders were largely Calvinist against the Catholic Highlanders.

The idiot you mention is Bonnie Prince Charlie although the battleground was partly accidental. Charlies other brilliant strategy was to allow the Highlanders to weather a half hour barrage from artillery, while the Loyalist troops formed their lines... had they charged in unison earlier it might have changed the course of the battle if not of history.

As Billy Connolly calls him "that stupid wee, effeminate, Italian dwarf"... Bonnie Prince indeed..

I'd like to see a proper film of Robert the Bruce (rather than Mel Gibson's crap protrayal of him in Braveheart).

leib10

Wasn't that whole movie crap? There isn't even a bridge at Sterling!

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PubFather

There wasnt a bridge at Stirling either!!

Historically, it was awful, especially the incursion into England which was nicked from the Jacobite invaison of 1745... utter tripe... Not to mention that Wallace's army was predominately lowland in nature

leib10

Whoops, did I mispell it?

Wraith601

It's being released in 2007.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416449/

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