Mental Marine

**tankie** · 20 Aug 12,, 17:15

What do the yanks think on this one , harsh ?

US police reportedly detained a Marine Corps veteran in a mental hospital over Facebook posts, triggering outrage in the online community. Brandon J. Raub claimed the FBI was concerned about his "calling for the arrest of government officials."
Raub, 26, is now being held in the John Randolph Behavioral Health psychiatric ward. In an online interview with local media, Raub’s mother reported that her son’s hearing is due to take place later on Monday. Raub claimed in a phone interview that he was brought to the ward against his will.
FBI and Secret Service officials said that Raub wasn’t arrested on specific charges, and declined to comment further, local newspaper the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported. Police officials allege they were only tasked with transporting Raub, and had no hand in his being interred in a mental health institution.
Raub was confronted by FBI agents at his home on Thursday and taken away in handcuffs. He was then reportedly questioned over several incendiary Facebook posts he made. "They were concerned about me calling for the arrest of government officials," Raub said.
The Richmond FBI office said they had received a complaint about Raub’s “threatening posts."
The video of the detention emerged on YouTube and immediately went viral, earning 67,000 views in the handful of hours after the footage was posted.
“I talked to a Secret Service gentleman for 20, 30 minutes. I was very cooperative and answered everything honestly. I really love America, and I think that idea that you can be detained and sent somewhere without due process and a lawyer … is crazy,” Raub told local media in a phone interview.
Raub posted Facebook messages that suggested that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks, and signed a petition to re-open the investigation into the terrorist act.
“If you are unaware of the great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government I suggest you take … your head out of the sand. The day of reckoning is almost at hand,” he wrote on August 5. He authored a later post saying,“The Revolution is here. And I will lead it.”

A Facebook group supporting Raub has been created, and has over 3,000 members. Raub served in the US Marine Corps from 2005 to 2011, and was a combat engineer Sergeant in Iraq and Afghanistan.

edit , wow Texas is a hard place to live

http://rt.com/usa/news/texas-executed-wilson-court-177/

**Albany Rifles** · 21 Aug 12,, 13:19

This is happening in the next town over from me.

So far there has been a lot of conjecture but little factas emerging.

Stay tuned.

**Albany Rifles** · 28 Aug 12,, 19:39

Judge orders Brandon Raub released from hospital | Washington Times Communities

They released him.

**Native** · 28 Aug 12,, 22:35

Originally Posted by tankie

What do the yanks think on this one , harsh ?
A Facebook group supporting Raub has been created, and has over 3,000 members.

I bet the F.B.I. appreciates the list of names.

**Chogy** · 29 Aug 12,, 15:38

Did he advocate armed revolution? I've lost respect for him if he has fallen into the conspiracy web, and believes in the loony 9/11 garbage, but regardless, Marine or not, a citizen has the right to express differing views... up to a limit. Did he breach that limit? I don't know. I think it is probably for the best that he was released.

edit , wow Texas is a hard place to live

Texas executed mentally disabled prisoner — RT

Prisoners on death row get years, sometimes decades, for appeal after appeal. All free, and usually vigorously pursued by very high quality attorneys paid for by anti death penalty groups. The courts decided he was in his right mind at the time of the crime, knew what he was doing, and now he has paid the price.

**tankie** · 31 Aug 12,, 11:40

Cheers Chogy . There'l still thousands of people who think 9/11 was orchestrated by your Govt , personally im staying out of it .

**Chogy** · 31 Aug 12,, 14:32

There'l still thousands of people who think 9/11 was orchestrated by your Govt

I appreciate your discretion Tankie, but all I can say to them is this - "What did 9/11 get us? Oil? Chest puffery as we exacted revenge on primitive Afghan tribesmen? Lucrative contracts for minerals? None of those. The money spent on the military actions, let alone the lives lost, could have been spent on the open market for raw materials, and the return would have been 100-fold."

In the end, we got nothing out of the post 9/11 decade except a stiff dose of misery. Sure we bagged OBL and Saddam, but was it worth it? My vision of a post 9/11 campaign would have been over in a year, and would have been short and very sharp. with a warning... "F with us, you get the hot metal in large amounts. Don't do it again."

IF it was a conspiracy, they lost. "They" being the conspirators. Money and lives spent, no return.

**tankie** · 01 Sep 12,, 12:39

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Target , stop

**Monash** · 05 Sep 12,, 13:38

Originally Posted by Chogy

My vision of a post 9/11 campaign would have been over in a year, and would have been short and very sharp. with a warning... "F with us, you get the hot metal in large amounts. Don't do it again."

Chogy, just curious but would your "vision" have meant a short sharp military campaign entirely focused on Afghanistan? I only ask because (given what we know now) if the aim of the Iraq campaign really was to eliminate/disrupt those responsible for 9/11 (plus eliminate those WMD's of course) then the Iraq seems serious and expensive misstep. I'm not casting judgement on the professionalism of those involved in the execution mind you merely questioning the wisdom of the civilian authorities who issued the directive. Seeing as history indicates the Hussein regime wasn't involved in 9/11 - and probably wouldn't have touched the "idea" with a barge pole if approached for support anyway. I'm not suggesting that the man and his regime was anything but abhorrent, just that he was almost certainly canny enough to realize the dire consequences for anyone stupid enough to attack the USA in that manner whereas the then Taliban regime in Afghanistan on the other hand, being complete ideologues would probably have been blind to the consequences even if they had the political/logistical ability to keep their pet attack dog (Bin Laden) on a leash.

Interested to hear.... cheers

**Chogy** · 05 Sep 12,, 15:07

I'm not casting judgement on the professionalism of those involved in the execution mind you merely questioning the wisdom of the civilian authorities who issued the directive.

Nor would I ever do so to my brothers and sisters in arms, who will always do their utmost when called upon, and leave the questions to other civilians. I was very uneasy about Iraq from the beginning, and nothing that happened subsequently changed my mind.

I am not a deep thinker. I don't follow geopolitics all that closely, don't read advanced Armed Forces journals, etc. More of a "man on the street" kind of thought. 9/11 called for a response, and everything pointed to Afghanistan, the Taliban, and al Quaeda. It also demanded retribution, and that's what I would have given. Not nation building, not regime changing, not building hospitals and schools. It is not our job to elevate the masses of a nation to some enlightened "Western" state of being. They may not even want it. If they do want it badly enough, it is up to them to take it.

The message would have been crystal - "Don't mess with the USA, it's not worth it." I would have made it very clear that the destruction and suffering left behind is on al Quaeda. To the Taliban - "I don't care about you insofar as you had better damned well not export violence." The logical path they'd take would be to reclaim their despotic power in Afghanistan, minus the al Quaeda "Death to Amreeka" element.

That would have been my focus. I thought the first few months were well executed. We didn't get OBL, but al Quaeda in Afghanistan was gutted via the mechanism of the destruction and routing of the Taliban. Follow-up operations would include drones, airstrikes, and SF on alert, based on either friendly soil, naval assets, or if necessary seized facilities in Afghanistan, like Bagram. Their presence would not be indefinite.

I'd work with Pakistan only in the sense that the joint mission would be the targeting of foreign terrorist elements on Pakistani and Afghan soil.

My foreign policy would be like a giant Switzerland. "Trade with all, interference with none. It is not our job to mold your domestic policies."

Problems with my scenario...

- Domestic pressure to "help those poor people", the poor people being those who suffered under the Taliban. The problem is, the Taliban are not a threat to us. There are similar poor people all over the world, millions of them, from Africa, to Asia, to South America. Sorry, we can't fix everything wrong in the world. I'd deal with obvious, overt threats to U.S. interests.

- Logistics for Afghanistan was/are a nightmare, and will remain so forever.

- Much wailing at the fact that OBL lives on. But if I had been king, I think he'd have been bagged at Tora Bora, as I'd have been much less concerned about giving our Afghan "allies" much of the mission. Overwhelming destructive force would have been applied during Anaconda.

Benefits...

- A short, sharp campaign with relaxed ROE would emphasize the destructive power available, reinforcing the notion that "it is a bad idea to attack the USA." Our subsequent exodus would have a footnote. "See how easily we did this. Fk with us again, we'll come back. Behave."

- Much of the origin of terrorist attacks against the USA comes from our habit of propping up either hated regimes, or attempting to change regimes that we "don't like", who are not in line with our notion of a proper governance. By avoiding this, much of the reason for being for terrorist groups simply goes away.

- Saddam would take note. It'd be a due warning to him, and to other unfriendly regimes.

This is all probably naive in the extreme, and guys will poke a thousand holes in it. That's fine and welcomed. I simply dislike much of our foreign policy since the late 1980's. The Cold War was over, and we are not Team America, World Police.

**USSWisconsin** · 05 Sep 12,, 15:50

I have a similar view. In my version of the way it should be: Attack America - cease to exist as a nation or organization... Does anyone else need the treatment?

I was not pleased with what did happen - the first months after 911 were cohesive and strong, America united - then things started to take a turn for the worse. I see the ongoing "patriot act", "homeland security" and general reduction of American freedoms as a vile and unacceptable outcome. Making our county more like those we abhor. This has been going on steadily for the last decade - irregardless of which party holds the white house or the congress.

This ex-marine was not right, but IMO, he has a right to be wrong in his point of view. I read the transcript of his posts - very similar to what many other "truthers" have published which did not inspire a similar reaction. What about Ted Nugent - threatening the POTUS on stage? How come he's not in jail?

**Monash** · 06 Sep 12,, 10:55

Yes having watched the situations in both Iraq and Afghanistan progress I was forced to the conclusion that in terms of dealing with al Quaeda and the then Taliban Regime that supported/protected it the Iraq campaign did nothing more than delay the outcome in Afghanistan by years while expending the initial burst of good will and political capital that the US had with NATO and its other allies when they all became involved in what many of their citizens viewed as an unnecessary and unpopular war. Even allowing for the need to "nation build" in Afghanistan after the initial campaign the West would have been out of there by now but for Iraq.

As for Hussein no, doubt by now he would be watching over his shoulder for the inevitable popular revolt similar to the ones sweeping the rest of his ilk out of power in the Arab world.