Dead boy speaks to gran .

**Repatriated Canuck** · 23 May 10, 06:06

Originally Posted by cr9527

The unexplained is by no means evidence for the Supernatural.

Im as Anti-God as I am Anti-Zues, Anti-Unicorn

Would I be wrong? Factually speaking, not Ethics, as Truth cares not for Ethics.

Truth is the truth no matter how much it hurts. Faith spreads like a virus, and cannot be stopped without action. This allows many of the evil aspects of Faith to replenish in numbers.

Taking a persons last hope when they may have had a horrible life and faith is all they have left, you by and others like you by trying to do just that are as evil as the religious nut jobs you hate.

You are one and the same as a religious extremist.

Your truth can not be proven any more than the existence of god so you can call neither the truth as there is no proof.

Out of curiosity, do you not even like the idea of your consciousness passing onto something else? Maybe to be reborn again and enjoy another life perhaps? What if that Christian belief is correct, you know the one about heaven. Dropping the current discussion for a sec, does that even sound nice that you might pass away and not be simply compost?

I'm not sure about god but that sounds pretty good to me, I like the idea of reincarnation myself. I've had a good run so far and would love another go at it. Maybe see space travel some day actually happen.

**cr9527** · 24 May 10, 06:02

Originally Posted by Expat Canuck

Taking a persons last hope when they may have had a horrible life and faith is all they have left, you by and others like you by trying to do just that are as evil as the religious nut jobs you hate.

False hope is worse than no hope.

Your truth can not be proven any more than the existence of god so you can call neither the truth as there is no proof.

Uhh, but Science, or I is not making the claim God is not real, I am merely claiming there is no Evidence for God. This is the truth, and there is strong evidence that there is no evidence.

Out of curiosity, do you not even like the idea of your consciousness passing onto something else? Maybe to be reborn again and enjoy another life perhaps? What if that Christian belief is correct, you know the one about heaven. Dropping the current discussion for a sec, does that even sound nice that you might pass away and not be simply compost?

Sure, I also like the idea of shooting lightning out of my hands, and fly like superman, but does that mean I should start believing it?

Christianity is definetly not correct, as the entire religion is based upon the Bible, which has so many flaws within it that it cannot have possibly been written by a perfect Being.

I'm not sure about god but that sounds pretty good to me, I like the idea of reincarnation myself. I've had a good run so far and would love another go at it. Maybe see space travel some day actually happen.

Ok, I officially invent my religion, by saying if you believe in it, you will be God of a new universe. Now, are you going to start worshiping it?
No? Now apply the same logic to all the other religions.

Originally Posted by Triple C

Now now. I am an atheist but not a militant one. I avoid doing the thing about religion that I find the most irritating--PREACHING. People spreading the faith and getting all riled up when their "unfaith" is challenged and argue to the point of uncivillity. That type of atheism look suspiciously like a religion on prosthetics. OoE is not only a moderator. He is also a highly respected member of the board because he had done and risked much to protect freedom--including the freedom of conscience--as an old warrior. I suggest one participant of this thread to tread lightly.

Sorry for ignoring your post, I didn't even see it.

I thank OOE for standing up and defend freedom, but onething that needs to be said is that Freedom of Religion does NOT overwrite the Freedom to criticize, Express, or Persuade.

I am a strong believer of Freedoms, and I believe that all of the do not bash Religion going on is far too similar to what the Saudis are doing with Islam. Criticizing is a right, and should be done with every aspects of our lives, especially when it is such a huge influence.

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Oh finally, I would like to say that, if you want to bring up ACTUAL evidence, the Evidence must support ONLY the existance of what you are claiming to exist.

i.e. Saying Science hasn't explored every aspect of universe yet, therefore God exists.

This is Not evidence for God, as one can say:

Science hasn't explored every aspect of universe yet, therefore Santa exists.

Science hasn't explored every aspect of universe yet, therefore Medusa exists.

Science hasn't explored every aspect of universe yet, therefore Ether exists.

I can go on...

**Officer of Engineers** · 01 Jun 10, 05:30

Originally Posted by cr9527

I can go on...

So can I, your science has said multiple universes exists and imaginary time exists.

**cr9527** · 03 Jun 10, 07:27

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

So can I, your science has said multiple universes exists and imaginary time exists.

Yes, and like I've explained so many times in the past:
1. Science does not consider MultiVerse theory to be proven beyond reasonable doubt
2. Imaginary time works with the math, works at producing accurate and valid predictions, thus holds its own ground.
3. Supernatural works with nothing, does not produce testable predictions, and does not provide observable, reliable, valid data. Thus, holds no ground, and should be disregarded as such.

To summarize, look up God of the Gaps, and the argument from Ignorance fallacy.

**Triple C** · 03 Jun 10, 08:59

Can't believe you guys are still at it.

First, Belief and Faith are different concepts.

Logically the absence of evidence should lead to the suspension of belief which is one neither denies or affirms the proposition. The lack of evidence doesn't negate the probability that something is true, but it would be a strong, rational argument not to believe in the correctness of the proposition.

Faith is to take something as true, beyond logic, reason or empirical evidence. Frankly, it will not go away because human nature cannot do away with Faith. I don't believe in god but I have Faith in different concepts that I know to be grounded on shaky ground and I will admit is quite possibly false, but nevertheless I think and act as if it is true.

If we only believe in what can rationally be proven beyond reasonable doubt, there would be little to live for. Which is why I do not argue over the faiths and beliefs of others, unless they are trying to convince me that they have heard The Voice of Reason and I should do as they do.