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    This guy was barred from entering the UK but finally managed to get here , this is an email i received and one which i find interesting , it sure does hit the nail on the head , i also agree with some of his comments , but , i am no racist, but will or would fight tooth and nail to keep my country and culture


    This is hard for anyone to understand and comprehend....Many of us have memories of Europe as we knew it 20 or 30 years ago.... Will we recognise it in 20-30 years time?



    Geert Wilders is a Dutch Member of Parliament.


    Europe and America are the last men standing (so far!).







    'In a generation or two we will ask, who lost Europe?'

    Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the
    Netherlands, at the Four Seasons, New York, introducing an Alliance of
    Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem
    .

    Dear friends,

    Thank you very much for inviting me.

    I am a man with a mission. All is not well in the old world.
    There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be
    optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of
    Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of
    Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the
    West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization,
    facing an Islamic Europe.

    First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I
    will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a
    meeting in Jerusalem.

    The Europe you know is changing.

    You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities,
    sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is
    another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by
    Muslim mass-migration.

    All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim
    neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen.
    And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as
    well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in
    figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their
    husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With
    mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot
    read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These
    are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim
    neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe.
    These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly
    larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighborhood by
    neighborhood, city by city.

    There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With larger
    congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city
    there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in
    the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

    Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take
    Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority
    of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring
    of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys
    in many cities.

    In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be
    mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that
    would be an insult to Muslims. (Hard to believe)

    Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all
    pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost
    exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'.
    Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations
    in the country of origin.

    In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive
    to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly
    true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught
    because of Muslim sensitivity.

    (Discrimination on the level of absurdity) (Seen in Saudia Arabia in
    1974)

    In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal
    system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without
    head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by
    Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

    Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave
    of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on
    the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel. I could go on forever with
    stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

    A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego
    University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the
    population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard
    Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

    Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if
    the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are
    few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French
    Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to
    France. One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks.
    The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of
    British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims
    demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect.
    We have Muslim official state holidays.

    The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in
    the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members
    with passports from Morocco and Turkey.

    Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty
    crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and
    bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the
    low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'.
    Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our
    societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam.
    Therefore, they are settlers.

    Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against
    non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods,
    their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote
    not to be ignored.

    The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the
    prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be
    criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like
    Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem.
    But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had
    several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he
    fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had
    prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish
    tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is
    bad for Islam, it is bad.

    Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god,
    and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a
    political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for
    society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every
    aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with
    freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you
    want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or
    national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

    Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde
    force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The
    public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees
    Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it
    dozens of times. I support Israel. First, because it is the Jewish
    homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including
    Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is
    our first line of defense.

    This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating
    Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad,
    like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in
    Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way.
    The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

    The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against
    the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are
    meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel, Islamic
    imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its
    desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children
    to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can
    sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

    Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address
    the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God
    forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would
    not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their
    behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel
    would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would,
    and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak,
    and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems
    with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the
    final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they can get
    everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all
    critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In
    my country, the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the
    mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World
    War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet
    there is a danger greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of
    America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe
    faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without
    freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare,
    and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into
    enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be
    up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, Athens and
    Jerusalem.

    Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation
    never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver
    platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout
    Europe, American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made
    it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this
    freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard
    won liberty to Europe's children in the same state in which it was
    offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future
    generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties.
    We simply do not have the right to do so.


    We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic
    stupidity from destroying the free world that we know
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    Frankly I find the entire speech intellectually and morally offensive, but I don't believe that gives HM Government the right to deprive someone of entry into the UK. To be honest doing so has only strengthened his position, much in the same way that all the condemnation of Nick Griffin's appearance on "Question Time" has played into the BNP's hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -{SpoonmaN}- View Post
    Frankly I find the entire speech intellectually and morally offensive, but I don't believe that gives HM Government the right to deprive someone of entry into the UK. To be honest doing so has only strengthened his position, much in the same way that all the condemnation of Nick Griffin's appearance on "Question Time" has played into the BNP's hands.
    Perhaps a more understated approach to the subject would be less offensive.



    Europe's Angry Muslims
    Author:
    Robert S. Leiken

    July/August 2005
    Foreign Affairs

    Summary: Radical Islam is spreading across Europe among descendants of Muslim immigrants. Disenfranchised and disillusioned by the failure of integration, some European Muslims have taken up jihad against the West. They are dangerous and committed -- and can enter the United States without a visa.

    Robert S. Leiken is Director of the Immigration and National Security Program at the Nixon Center and a nonresident Fellow at the Brookings Institution. He is the author of Bearers of Jihad? Immigration and National Security After 9/11.

    AN AMERICAN CONCERN

    Full article at following link...

    Europe's Angry Muslims - Council on Foreign Relations
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    Quote Originally Posted by -{SpoonmaN}- View Post
    Frankly I find the entire speech intellectually and morally offensive, but I don't believe that gives HM Government the right to deprive someone of entry into the UK. To be honest doing so has only strengthened his position, much in the same way that all the condemnation of Nick Griffin's appearance on "Question Time" has played into the BNP's hands.
    The problem with this guy is, if the Netherlands is a free state they will have to allow him to run and to say these things. But if he would win the elections, what he wants to do is destroy freedom. Freedom of religion is also in the Dutch constitution, but he wants to ban one of the country's religions and deport people on basis of ethnicity (with this I mean his idea that people which descent from non-western immigrants should be deported "back" to "their own country" if they commit a crime, while white people if they commit a crime can just go to jail or get a fine, but all citizens are supposed to be equal by law).

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    Looks like the MP is right , this is not on and I'm glad its been cancelled , i cant speak for everyone but i think the majority of the UK indigenous populace will be against it , i see troubles ahead , if they wish sharia law , go live in a country that supports it and stop trying to change the UK .

    2 men were arrested yesterday for torching a Muslim clerics home , killing him and his wife leaving children orphaned , wankers. it doesn't adhere to the situation and is bound to stir up retaliation and revenge







    A planned march by demonstrators calling for sharia law in Britain has been cancelled, police said.
    Pro-sharia law march cancelled
    Sharia law protests: Plea for calm

    Scotland Yard said it would now be contacting organisers of a wave of counter-protests in central London and Leeds, West Yorkshire, to inform them of the decision.

    Anjem Choudary, leader of the radical Islamic sect Al Muhajiroun, said organisers Islam4UK had been forced to cancel the planned march from the House of Commons to Trafalgar Square because of security concerns.

    But he added a meeting of supporters of sharia law would still take place at an undisclosed location.

    A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "The MPS (Metropolitan Police Service) has been informed that today's planned march in central London has now been cancelled.

    "Officers are now contacting organisers of planned counter protests to inform them."

    The Islamic Society of Britain, which was planning to join other organisations in staging a "dignified, non-violent" counter-demonstration at Piccadilly Circus, said it would not now take place.

    A spokesman said: "There's no protest so we won't be holding a counter-demonstration.

    "It's a great success that pressure from all sections of the community, including Muslims, has resulted in the Muhajiroun and the hot-heads rethinking their position






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    I think it is a VERY GOOD speech.

    Tankie I can't find links for this news in the BBC or The Times:

    "2 men were arrested yesterday for torching a Muslim clerics home , killing him and his wife leaving children orphan"

    Never heard of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castellano View Post
    I think it is a VERY GOOD speech.

    Tankie I can't find links for this news in the BBC or The Times:

    "2 men were arrested yesterday for torching a Muslim clerics home , killing him and his wife leaving children orphan"

    Never heard of it.
    It was on BBC local news , wait a mo i will look for it matey


    here ya go mate. Manchester evening news , i thought his wife had died as well , but since the incident she may well have done , i will check out again in tomorrows news ? i am certain it said 2 men were arrested ???


    Man arrested over arson attack



    October 27, 2009

    DETECTIVES investigating an arson attack on a family home in Blackburn which killed a father-of-three have arrested a 29-year-old man from Manchester on suspicion of conspiracy to murder.

    Muslim cleric Abdullah Mohammed, 41, died from the effects of smoke inhalation following the fire at his terrace home in London Road on October 21.

    A Lancashire Police spokesman said the man was arrested on Tuesday night in Manchester and is in custody.

    The victim's wife, Aysha, 39, and daughter Siddiqah, 14, remain in a critical condition in hospital.

    His son Muhammad, nine, has been released from hospital and is now in the care of his extended family.

    Rescue

    All four family members were rescued from the property by firefighters.

    The arrest comes four days after detectives made a public appeal to trace three men spotted at the scene at the time the blaze ripped through the house.

    Detective Superintendent Neil Hunter, of Lancashire Police, said the men were seen getting out of a car parked in a lay-by and walking towards the house.

    Mr Hunter told reporters: “At this stage the cause is unknown but we are treating this as a murder inquiry.”

    He said forensic examinations had ruled out the fire being caused by an electrical fault or by spontaneous combustion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kermanshahi View Post
    The problem with this guy is, if the Netherlands is a free state they will have to allow him to run and to say these things. But if he would win the elections, what he wants to do is destroy freedom. Freedom of religion is also in the Dutch constitution, but he wants to ban one of the country's religions...

    He said in the past he would ban the Koran, which does sound as ridiculous - it is ridiculous.

    But the multiculti racket went further than just arguing the merits of an idea, they sought to jail him, a guy who himself is under 24h police protection from death threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castellano View Post
    He said in the past he would ban the Koran, which does sound as ridiculous - it is ridiculous.

    But the multiculti racket went further than just arguing the merits of an idea, they sought to jail him, a guy who himself is under 24h police protection from death threats.
    Yea , i heard he was good friends now with Salman Rushdie )






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    Thanks mate, looks like the motive is still unclear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castellano View Post
    Thanks mate, looks like the motive is still unclear.
    Well me personally think the motive is very clear , but will hold judgement until the full story comes out , the local news said he was a radical cleric , but there again they said 2 people had been arrested , suck it n see huh .






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    The issue of marginilized muslim immigrants is very serious. The free speech and personal freedoms guaranteed by european values can be abused easily by fundamentalists. European nations should take serious steps at integrating immigrants to mainstream society.

    Yet this particular speech is full of BS (aimed at peoples fears to gain support) and the point of view it represents is destructive rather than benefical i think. The emmigration policies can be adjusted easily or halted completely until the current minorities are integrated so there is not an immediate threat of a sharia ruled europe. Afterall europe needs those immigrants to remain a world power and if they can be integrated succesfully they would no doubt contribute to material and cultural wealth immensely.

    One should note that just recently the president of US reminded to his nation that immigrants have proved to be the most restless, the most adventurous, the most innovative and the most industrious of peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTL View Post
    The issue of marginilized muslim immigrants is very serious. The free speech and personal freedoms guaranteed by european values can be abused easily by fundamentalists. European nations should take serious steps at integrating immigrants to mainstream society.

    Yet this particular speech is full of BS (aimed at peoples fears to gain support) and the point of view it represents is destructive rather than benefical i think. The emmigration policies can be adjusted easily or halted completely until the current minorities are integrated so there is not an immediate threat of a sharia ruled europe. Afterall europe needs those immigrants to remain a world power and if they can be integrated succesfully they would no doubt contribute to material and cultural wealth immensely.

    One should note that just recently the president of US reminded to his nation that immigrants have proved to be the most restless, the most adventurous, the most innovative and the most industrious of peoples.

    Obama was referring to the immigrants to US who are mostly Chinese and Indians. These immigrants are unlike the destructive kind which lives in Europe....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 667medic View Post
    Obama was referring to the immigrants to US who are mostly Chinese and Indians. These immigrants are unlike the destructive kind which lives in Europe....
    Obama himself however, descends of Muslim immigrants from Kenya and he managed to become President of the United States!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 667medic View Post
    Obama was referring to the immigrants to US who are mostly Chinese and Indians. These immigrants are unlike the destructive kind which lives in Europe....
    Beat me to it , there are parts of the UK which are basically no go areas , they refuse to accept the British way of life , well thats fine by me , they can always fcuk off to where they think their mecca is .






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