The Chinese Military’s Strategic Mind-set - Page 8

Inst · 03-05-2008, 13:37 PM

Being supportive of good relations with Japan and theorizing an American threat is not necessarily contradictory, but I agree that the hawk label is insufficient.

rj1 · 03-05-2008, 14:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xinhui

copy and paste from an earlier post

Here are some security / military related

China Institute of Contemporary International Relations (Zhongguo xiandai guoji guanxi yanjiusuo) (grand daddy, research for Central Committee of CCP)

China Institute of International Studies (Zhongguo guoji wenti yanjiusuo)

Foundation for International Strategic Studies (Guoji zhanlu¨e yanjiu jijinhui) (research for State Council Ministry of State Security)

China Institute for International Strategic Studies (founded by PLA's GSD, hardliner)

Chinese People’s Institute of Foreign Affairs (Zhongguo renmin waijiao xuehui) (founded by Foreign ministry) (soft liner)

Foreign Affairs Leading Group (founded by Central Committee of CCP)

Centre for Peace and Development Studies (founded by PLA's GPD)

Xinhua Centre for World Affairs (the only one that has an areas that deasl with Inida)

Institute of Taiwan Studies (the only that is an official organization)

China Society for Strategy and Management (founded by PLA Academy of Military Sciences and Deng Xiaoping’s former foreign affairs advisor Huan Xiang )

Shanghai Centre for International Studies and Shanghai Institute of International Studies (one of the few powerful "NGO", that is NGO with Chinese characteristic )

There are many more, but the above are the most influential according to some.

Why so many? Is it just to get some outside-the-box ideas and to stop groupthink?

xinhui · 03-05-2008, 14:43 PM

looks like both sides managed to cool things down a bit.

China, Japan agree to strengthen defense co-op

english.chinamil.com.cn 2008-02-28

　　BEIJING, Feb. 27 (Xinhua) -- Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan and Japanese Chief of Staff of the Joint Staff Office of the Self-Defense Force Saito Takashi on Wednesday agreed to strengthen defense cooperation between the two countries.

　　Cao, also vice chairman of the Central Military Commission and a state councilor, said he hoped the two countries could take this year, the 30th anniversary of the China-Japan peace and friendship treaty, as an opportunity to promote the healthy and steady development of relations.

　　"I hope the two sides can prudently and properly handle issues, deepen exchanges and cooperation, continue to consolidate the political basis of bilateral relations, and enhance mutual strategic trust," said Cao.

　　Saito said stronger ties between the two major powers in Asia was significant to regional and world peace and stability.

　　He hoped the defense departments of both countries would strengthen high-level exchanges to enhance mutual trust and understanding.

　　Cao stressed the importance of the Taiwan issue, saying it concerned China's core interests, and he hoped the Japanese side would respect China's positions and oppose "Taiwan independence".

　　Saito said the Japanese side would adhere to the spirit of the Japan-China joint communiques, adding Japan's position on the Taiwan issue was unchanged.

　　Before meeting with Cao in Beijing, Saito held talks with his Chinese counterpart, Chen Bingde.

　　Chen, Chief of General Staff of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), said he hoped China and Japan would deeply understand and respect each other's security concerns and work harder to build defense security and mutual trust.

　　Saito told Chen that the visits by Defense Minister Cao and the Chinese fleet to Japan last year marked a new start for exchanges between the two defense departments, and he hoped they would strengthen defense exchanges to promote friendship between Japan and China.

　　Saito, who arrived on Tuesday, also expressed his sympathy for problems caused by the severe winter weather in southern China.

xinhui · 03-05-2008, 14:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Inst

Being supportive of good relations with Japan and theorizing an American threat is not necessarily contradictory, but I agree that the hawk label is insufficient.

There are different views regarding the role of Japan in a possible Sino-US confrontation, but if you want, we can start a new thread on that. As other had noted, Sino-Japan relations seems to follow with that of the Sino-US, for some odd reason.

Inst · 03-16-2008, 14:47 PM

Mark Leonard is making the rounds, but he didn't manage to show up in this month's FA. According to posters on Prospect Magazine, China Economic Quarterly savaged his book.

Here's another article by the writer.

World View: The Rise of Chinaâ€™s Neocons | Newsweek International Edition | Newsweek.com

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The Rise of China’s Neocons
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Mar 17, 2008 Issue

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So much focus is given to the Olympics and China's economy these days that it's easy to overlook the deeper shifts occurring in Beijing's foreign policy. But concealed behind the anodyne comments of China's leaders, who generally try to underplay their country's power, a fierce debate over China's international approach is underway. The argument, waged in government-run think tanks and universities, pits liberal internationalists against China's neocons—who aim for nothing short of remaking the entire international order in China's image.

For now the liberal internationalists have the upper hand. They include thinkers like Zheng Bijian, a former deputy to President Hu Jintao at the Communist Party's Central School and the man who coined the term "China's peaceful rise." They maintain that China should respect the traditional rules of the international system, avoid conflict and sell others on the idea that China is not a threat. Zheng has argued that China needs to exploit Washington's unpopularity by projecting its own "soft power," or cultural and political appeal. He wants Beijing to answer the "American Dream" of individual success by promoting a "Chinese Dream" based on economic development (to help the poor) and respect for sovereignty and international law (to defend national independence). Although the term has been discarded, China's peaceful rise now defines the foreign policy of President Hu, who is crisscrossing the world offering Chinese friendship and aid to all takers, and easing tensions with the West by softening Beijing's stand on touchy international issues like Darfur, Iran and North Korea.

By contrast, the neocons—or "neocomms," as they should be known, since they represent a new twist on the Mao-era policy of challenging Western hegemony—are men like Yan Xuetong, an academic with close links to the Ministry of State Security, and Rear Adm. Yang Yi, one of the brightest thinkers in the Chinese military. The neocomms argue that China should be less focused on appeasing Washington and more concerned with Beijing's own priorities. These include resisting democracy promotion and humanitarian intervention abroad, in order to protect China and its allies from external interference.

The neocomms have taken up the idea of multilateralism— associated in the West with the dilution of national sovereignty by member states agreeing to be bound by the rules of supranational institutions (like the European Union or the World Trade Organization). Thinkers like Yan have transformed the concept into a tool of power projection that would reinforce China's independence while helping it develop links with other Asian countries, in arrangements that would exclude China's great rival, the United States.

Since the mid-1990s, Yan has worked tirelessly to sell this concept to the Chinese Foreign Ministry—which has traditionally been suspicious of international institutions—arguing that regional integration will bring all kinds of practical benefits to China. And Beijing has slowly come around; for example, it now supports the idea of an "East Asian Community" that would be modeled on the European Union. Yan argues that such a community would be an effective means of promoting Chinese power and sidelining Japan, since Tokyo, as America's most powerful Asian ally, would likely be a reluctant partner in any such project. In this new scheme, China would play a central role like that of France or Germany in Europe, while Japan would be the outsider, like Britain in the EU context.

Over time, the more aggressive neocomms may come to dominate. In recent history, China has followed a pattern of making changes on a minor scale before expanding them outward. Domestically, for example, it first introduced the free market in special economic zones, waiting years before expanding them to the country at large. Expect something similar in the international sphere. Already Beijing has started taking baby steps toward building a new system in its image, spearheading the creation of regional groups such as the East Asian Community and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. These groups, which are underpinned by Chinese values and norms rather than Western ones, represent the thin edge of a wedge that Beijing is likely to expand in the future.

China's own emancipation from the West is also creating an illiberal path, characterized by high levels of state control in the economic, social and political spheres. Other developing countries—in Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia and Latin America—may seek to follow that road. The richer and more powerful China grows, the more attractive the "Chinese model" is likely to become—and the more real the threat it will pose to the liberal democratic example that's dominated international affairs since the end of the cold war.

Leonard is executive director of the European Council on Foreign Relations and author of “What Does China Think?”

xinhui · 03-16-2008, 22:11 PM

Inst,

You have my thanks!

Don't get me wrong, it is a great work but it will be a better read if he take the label out. Neo-con/Neo comm? oh come on. I still think he mis-readed about Rear Adm. Yang Yi

xinhui · 03-17-2008, 00:34 AM

joelhar,

From what I understand, Informationization means giving PLA officers laptops to play minesweeper with.

Anyways, this is from 3/16/2008's PLAdaily.

New Infantry Training Gangyao (roughly translated as guild line or doctrine) released for all infantries (ground, marine, Airborne, etc) They are planned to equip NCO with GPS devices and more importantly, give NCO the capabilities to call and direct close air support, in this article, from LH (army aviation).

http://www.pladaily.com.cn/site1/xwp...nt_1165793.htm

士官任永辉利用卫星导航系统手持机进行观察报知。夏安杰摄

本报郑州3月16日电　记者胡君华、费士廷报道：从“一杆枪跑战术”到“身带多种信息化装备作战”，新大纲使我军单兵作战能力发生了历史性变化，传统步兵将告别演兵场。

　　记者今天在济南军区某机步旅新大纲试训现场看到，一营三连二级士官任永辉，身背新型电台，肩挎卫星导航系统手持机，手握新式步枪投入战斗，搜集传递情报、搜索引导目标、爆破打击“敌人”……单兵作战能力今非昔比。

　　战斗间隙，任永辉告诉记者：“以往，步兵训练手中的家当基本上就是‘一杆步枪、四枚手榴弹’，携带的武器装备单一，战技术综合运用能力有限。如今，步兵按新大纲要求携带好几种现代化装备，这在以前是不可想象的。”

　　正说着，任永辉携带的电台通信突然出现异常。经过仔细搜索，发现不远处有一座“敌”移动卫星通信站，他迅速拿出卫星导航系统手持机，精确测量目标坐标，同时把情报传递给了远在数十公里之外的陆航指挥中心。很快，我武装直升机飞临上空，一举将“敌”卫星通信站摧毁。

任永辉的出色表现，正是这个旅新大纲试训带来的一大亮点。据悉，为了适应未来陆、海、空、天、电（磁）五位一体联合作战需要，新大纲对单兵综合演练内容进行了较大幅度调整，将原有的检验身体素质、战斗技能和战斗行动，细化组合为检验观察报知能力、战斗运动能力、打击能力、爆破能力和防护能力等5种能力，突出科技、心理等5种素质，形成信息化条件下单兵综合训练新模式。

“单兵不再是战场上独立的个体，而是整个作战链条上的一个节点。”旅参谋长张书杰说，以往只是单一战斗员的传统步兵，现在已成为集战斗员、情报搜集员、目标引导员等多种身份于一体的现代士兵。他们的出现，将极大地提高战场感知能力、火力打击能力，促进我军作战效能成倍增长。

Here is a very poor Google machine translation.

NCO Linyonghui use handheld satellite navigation system to observe notification. Jiaanjie perturbation

-- Zhengzhou, March 16 - China's Hu, fees Shiting reported: "Yiganqiang run tactics" to the "body with a wide range of information equipment operations," and the outline of the new one-man army in the history of combat capability changes in the traditional infantry will bid farewell to the drill ground.

-- Today at the Jinan Military Region of a mechanized infantry brigade new outline training are at the scene to see, even a camp three Linyonghui two noncommissioned officers, a new radio than he led, Jianku handheld satellite navigation system, new rifles in their hands fighting, collect transfer intelligence, search guidance, blasting against the "enemy"…… single combat capability beyond.

Battle space, Linyonghui told reporters: "In the past, infantry training is basically the hands of the family belongings' one rifle, four hand grenades', carrying weapons and equipment of a single, integrated use of technology warfare limited capacity. Today, the infantry with the new program requirements Several modern equipment, which was unimaginable in the past. "

Now Then, Linyonghui portable radio communications suddenly appeared abnormal. After careful search, found not far from there an "enemy" mobile satellite communication station, he rapidly produce handheld satellite navigation system, the accurate measurement of target coordinates passed to the intelligence at the same time, far in the dozens of kilometers from the Army Aviation command Centre. Soon, I armed helicopters flew above, and in the "enemy" satellite communication stations destroyed.

Linyonghui outstanding performance, it is this brigade new outline of the training are a major bright spot. Reportedly, in order to adapt to the future of land, sea, air, space, and (magnetic) five integrated joint operations, the new outline of a comprehensive exercise on the content of man-a more substantial adjustments, the original physical fitness test, fighting skills and combat operations, refining portfolio to test observations were reported to capacity, and the battle exercise capacity, capability, blasting and defense capabilities, such as five kinds of capabilities, outstanding scientific, technological, psychological and five kinds of quality of information under the conditions of a single new model of comprehensive training .

"Man-on the battlefield is no longer an individual, but the entire chain of operations on a node." Brigade Chief of Staff Zhang Jie said, in the past only a single member of the traditional infantry fighting, it is now set to become combatants, the collection of intelligence, , and other members of goals to guide one's identity in the modern soldier. They emerge, it will greatly enhance the battlefield sensing capability and firepower capability and combat effectiveness of our military to promote doubled.

**Officer of Engineers** · 03-17-2008, 21:44 PM

Andy,

One thing I find very strange is that very few uses JANUS or other computerized wargaming (RAINBOW SIX and clones do not apply) in beefing up the military basics. I mean we saw it as a divisional exercise (computer wargame) but I didn't see them as a cadet exercise.

xinhui · 03-18-2008, 01:12 AM

good point, I will see what I can find.

Inst · 04-28-2008, 20:30 PM

I have What Does China Think? in my hands right now. I'll scan it and convert it to the digital format.

Indirect Fire · 04-28-2008, 21:43 PM

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Andy,

One thing I find very strange is that very few uses JANUS or other computerized wargaming (RAINBOW SIX and clones do not apply) in beefing up the military basics. I mean we saw it as a divisional exercise (computer wargame) but I didn't see them as a cadet exercise.

A copy of Command and Conquer should teach them well. I learnt all my tactics from it: Is this a cause for worry?

Stan187 · 04-29-2008, 13:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Indirect Fire

A copy of Command and Conquer should teach them well. I learnt all my tactics from it: Is this a cause for worry?

Very much a cause for concern. Try Sudden Strike instead,it is a bit more genuine.

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03-05-2008, 14:43 PM	#108 (permalink)
xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 635	looks like both sides managed to cool things down a bit. China, Japan agree to strengthen defense co-op english.chinamil.com.cn 2008-02-28 　　BEIJING, Feb. 27 (Xinhua) -- Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan and Japanese Chief of Staff of the Joint Staff Office of the Self-Defense Force Saito Takashi on Wednesday agreed to strengthen defense cooperation between the two countries. 　　Cao, also vice chairman of the Central Military Commission and a state councilor, said he hoped the two countries could take this year, the 30th anniversary of the China-Japan peace and friendship treaty, as an opportunity to promote the healthy and steady development of relations. 　　"I hope the two sides can prudently and properly handle issues, deepen exchanges and cooperation, continue to consolidate the political basis of bilateral relations, and enhance mutual strategic trust," said Cao. 　　Saito said stronger ties between the two major powers in Asia was significant to regional and world peace and stability. 　　He hoped the defense departments of both countries would strengthen high-level exchanges to enhance mutual trust and understanding. 　　Cao stressed the importance of the Taiwan issue, saying it concerned China's core interests, and he hoped the Japanese side would respect China's positions and oppose "Taiwan independence". 　　Saito said the Japanese side would adhere to the spirit of the Japan-China joint communiques, adding Japan's position on the Taiwan issue was unchanged. 　　Before meeting with Cao in Beijing, Saito held talks with his Chinese counterpart, Chen Bingde. 　　Chen, Chief of General Staff of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), said he hoped China and Japan would deeply understand and respect each other's security concerns and work harder to build defense security and mutual trust. 　　Saito told Chen that the visits by Defense Minister Cao and the Chinese fleet to Japan last year marked a new start for exchanges between the two defense departments, and he hoped they would strengthen defense exchanges to promote friendship between Japan and China. 　　Saito, who arrived on Tuesday, also expressed his sympathy for problems caused by the severe winter weather in southern China.

03-16-2008, 22:11 PM	#111 (permalink)
xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 635	Inst, You have my thanks! Don't get me wrong, it is a great work but it will be a better read if he take the label out. Neo-con/Neo comm? oh come on. I still think he mis-readed about Rear Adm. Yang Yi

03-17-2008, 00:34 AM	#112 (permalink)
xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 635	joelhar, From what I understand, Informationization means giving PLA officers laptops to play minesweeper with. Anyways, this is from 3/16/2008's PLAdaily. New Infantry Training Gangyao (roughly translated as guild line or doctrine) released for all infantries (ground, marine, Airborne, etc) They are planned to equip NCO with GPS devices and more importantly, give NCO the capabilities to call and direct close air support, in this article, from LH (army aviation). http://www.pladaily.com.cn/site1/xwp...nt_1165793.htm 士官任永辉利用卫星导航系统手持机进行观察报知。夏安杰摄本报郑州3月16日电　记者胡君华、费士廷报道：从“一杆枪跑战术”到“身带多种信息化装备作战”，新大纲使我军单兵作战能力发生了历史性变化，传统步兵将告别演兵场。　　记者今天在济南军区某机步旅新大纲试训现场看到，一营三连二级士官任永辉，身背新型电台，肩挎卫星导航系统手持机，手握新式步枪投入战斗，搜集传递情报、搜索引导目标、爆破打击“敌人”……单兵作战能力今非昔比。　　战斗间隙，任永辉告诉记者：“以往，步兵训练手中的家当基本上就是‘一杆步枪、四枚手榴弹’，携带的武器装备单一，战技术综合运用能力有限。如今，步兵按新大纲要求携带好几种现代化装备，这在以前是不可想象的。” 　　正说着，任永辉携带的电台通信突然出现异常。经过仔细搜索，发现不远处有一座“敌”移动卫星通信站，他迅速拿出卫星导航系统手持机，精确测量目标坐标，同时把情报传递给了远在数十公里之外的陆航指挥中心。很快，我武装直升机飞临上空，一举将“敌”卫星通信站摧毁。任永辉的出色表现，正是这个旅新大纲试训带来的一大亮点。据悉，为了适应未来陆、海、空、天、电（磁）五位一体联合作战需要，新大纲对单兵综合演练内容进行了较大幅度调整，将原有的检验身体素质、战斗技能和战斗行动，细化组合为检验观察报知能力、战斗运动能力、打击能力、爆破能力和防护能力等5种能力，突出科技、心理等5种素质，形成信息化条件下单兵综合训练新模式。 “单兵不再是战场上独立的个体，而是整个作战链条上的一个节点。”旅参谋长张书杰说，以往只是单一战斗员的传统步兵，现在已成为集战斗员、情报搜集员、目标引导员等多种身份于一体的现代士兵。他们的出现，将极大地提高战场感知能力、火力打击能力，促进我军作战效能成倍增长。 Here is a very poor Google machine translation. NCO Linyonghui use handheld satellite navigation system to observe notification. Jiaanjie perturbation -- Zhengzhou, March 16 - China's Hu, fees Shiting reported: "Yiganqiang run tactics" to the "body with a wide range of information equipment operations," and the outline of the new one-man army in the history of combat capability changes in the traditional infantry will bid farewell to the drill ground. -- Today at the Jinan Military Region of a mechanized infantry brigade new outline training are at the scene to see, even a camp three Linyonghui two noncommissioned officers, a new radio than he led, Jianku handheld satellite navigation system, new rifles in their hands fighting, collect transfer intelligence, search guidance, blasting against the "enemy"…… single combat capability beyond. Battle space, Linyonghui told reporters: "In the past, infantry training is basically the hands of the family belongings' one rifle, four hand grenades', carrying weapons and equipment of a single, integrated use of technology warfare limited capacity. Today, the infantry with the new program requirements Several modern equipment, which was unimaginable in the past. " Now Then, Linyonghui portable radio communications suddenly appeared abnormal. After careful search, found not far from there an "enemy" mobile satellite communication station, he rapidly produce handheld satellite navigation system, the accurate measurement of target coordinates passed to the intelligence at the same time, far in the dozens of kilometers from the Army Aviation command Centre. Soon, I armed helicopters flew above, and in the "enemy" satellite communication stations destroyed. Linyonghui outstanding performance, it is this brigade new outline of the training are a major bright spot. Reportedly, in order to adapt to the future of land, sea, air, space, and (magnetic) five integrated joint operations, the new outline of a comprehensive exercise on the content of man-a more substantial adjustments, the original physical fitness test, fighting skills and combat operations, refining portfolio to test observations were reported to capacity, and the battle exercise capacity, capability, blasting and defense capabilities, such as five kinds of capabilities, outstanding scientific, technological, psychological and five kinds of quality of information under the conditions of a single new model of comprehensive training . "Man-on the battlefield is no longer an individual, but the entire chain of operations on a node." Brigade Chief of Staff Zhang Jie said, in the past only a single member of the traditional infantry fighting, it is now set to become combatants, the collection of intelligence, , and other members of goals to guide one's identity in the modern soldier. They emerge, it will greatly enhance the battlefield sensing capability and firepower capability and combat effectiveness of our military to promote doubled.

03-18-2008, 01:12 AM	#114 (permalink)
xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 635	good point, I will see what I can find.

04-28-2008, 20:30 PM	#115 (permalink)
Inst Patron Join Date: 12-17-06 Posts: 160	I have What Does China Think? in my hands right now. I'll scan it and convert it to the digital format.

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