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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironduke View Post
    I stayed up north this summer, and spent three days out camping on an island in the middle of a lake, not having bathed whatsoever. When I got back to my mom's house, whew. In a very horrible something's died kind of way. Especially from the area that I shouldn't mention.
    I'm surprised your Mom didn't make you wash outside. It is always a good idea not to wash when in the woods if on a hunting trip or on long patrol(Military wise) as your "aroma" can give you away. If the enemy are not used to aftershave or soap these smells linger longer than you think. A return to the wild and woolly days of the caveman can be of great value at times, but not in Moms home. I remember having to get undressed on the veranda and then straight into the shower, Cloths were always in the machine before I came out, sometimes I think they walked there on their own)

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    "sometimes I think they walked there on their own"

    Stiff enough, I'm sure, to stand up on their own. Still, Mom (wife, girlfriend, "housemaid") probably had a convenient 10 foot pole or pitchfork to maintain appropriate "stand-off" range.

    It's really not good to step from a shower and see your kit flamed in a bonfire. That's the worst.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-2 View Post
    "sometimes I think they walked there on their own"

    Stiff enough, I'm sure, to stand up on their own. Still, Mom (wife, girlfriend, "housemaid") probably had a convenient 10 foot pole or pitchfork to maintain appropriate "stand-off" range.

    It's really not good to step from a shower and see your kit flamed in a bonfire. That's the worst.)
    Captain your first 10 words are not far from the truth))Later the clothes got washed

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    Probably the most extensive use of women in front line roles were the Russians in WWII, where they served with distinction in a number of units.

    A number of the units were all female, others were mixed.

    Main roles, from what I remember, were as snipers, pilots, & in artillery/mortar regiments.
    A number of the top snipers were women, a number of fighter aces, as well as one of the most decorated light bomber units.

    After the war most were moved back to support roles.

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    Some of the best snipers in WW2 where russian women. With that being said, I agree with Ray and S-2 on this.

    No offence Southie, you're service is appreciated, but after serving with women as an MP, I was not impressed and it caused more problems than it was worth. Exactly the reason I went where the ladies couldn't go. Just for the record, its not your ability or heart that I question, it is the male psyche that prevents us getting along in combat ground ops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    I have had some idiotic and stupid experience with women.

    I fired a 2/Lt JAG officer for not saluting and she started weeping. The JAG, who was my friend, told me that it is better to take it easy with women! I wonder which section of the Army Act makes them different. QUOTE]

    Not saluting an officer I agree is pretty stupid. Then there was the Army Captain that gave me crap about not saluting him as I was walking through the parking lot of the BX. Two bags in one hand and an ironing board under the other arm. I acknowledged the officers by saying good afternoon sirs and nodded my head. It was obvious that I was in no position to render a salute. His comment to me, "Sgt, don't you know you're supposed to salute an officer?" My reply, I dropped the ironing board, rendered my salute, picked my ironing board back up and walked away. He was a complete arrogant a$$hole taking advantage of his position!

    As for women in combat, if they are capable, then put them there. There are plenty of males that would find ways to get out of being deployed overseas to fight! If I had been in a position to be sent to war, I would have gone. If I was in a position to be on the front line, then so be it! I joined the AF to serve my country and I would have done whatever was directed of me! I guess that's why I was in for 20 years!

    It sounds like that officer needed his ego to be stroked. Of course if he'd done his homework, he'd know that under these circumstances, you don't render hand salutes-

    When not to Salute
    -When uncovered, except where failure to salute might cause embarrassment or misunderstanding.

    -In formation, except on command. o On a work detail (the person in charge of the detail salutes).

    -When engaged in athletics or assembled for recreation or entertainment.

    -When carrying articles with both hands, or otherwise occupied making saluting impracticable.

    (If you are carrying something in both hands and cannot render the hand salute, look at the officer as though you were saluting and render a verbal greeting as previously described. )


    -In public places where saluting is obviously inappropriate (theaters, restaurants, elevators, etc.).

    -In public transportation.

    -In action or under simulated combat conditions.

    -When a member of a guard is engaged in performance of a duty that prevents saluting.

    -At mess (when addressed, stop eating and show respectful attention).

    -When guarding prisoners.

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    In the British Army women can serve in almost every Corps with the exception of Armour and Infantry. That said you will find that most A/Adjt are Female, most Medical Officers are Female, and you will definately find females in the Royal Electrical Mechanical Engineers. For resupply you will have women replenishing Tanks etc.

    Back in the early 80s' we undertook a trial to test the feasability of women working on Tanks. To be fair, yes they could operate the weapons systems, operate the Radios and drive the Tank as well as any male. But when it came to exercising the beasts, the women just couldn't hack it i.e. Closed down operations (CBRN), female gunner wants to have a dump, she is politely told to do in a plastic bag and pass it to the loader to dispose of via the refuse hatch, she was rather disgusted by this and complained and said that she would report the Commander to the OC. Then it came time to change a link from a track, the poor girl could even lift the replacement. Then it came to drop the breach for cleaning, well if she could lift a link she was going to struggle with the breach. Then it came to loading, far enough she could lift the rounds, but the rate of fire was slooooooooooow and eventually she became tired and could load anymore. When a female mechanic came along to render some repairs, she couldn't lift the Engine decks. And finally where can you put a 'Bunny Burner' on a Tank?

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    in the british army women arnt allowed to serve frontline eg paras or royal tank regiment. they state this is for reasons of "combat effectiveness"
    women could also cause disruption, separate barracks, washing facilities and as was brought up earlier battle casualties. also think of the pr the taliban would get if they managed to capture a british women soldier
    incoming fire has the right of way

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    To be more exact: Women are not allowed to serve in the infantry, Royal Armoured Corps, Household Cavalry, RAF Regiment, Royal Naval Submarine Service, Royal Marine Commandoes.

    The submarine thing, and I believe it's the same with the US Navy, is based on fears about pregnancy, harming the baby through the sub's air and/or having to surface to offload her, revealing the sub's position. Australians have female submariners though, donno how they work it out.
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    "To be more exact: Women are not allowed to serve in the infantry, Royal Armoured Corps, Household Cavalry, RAF Regiment, Royal Naval Submarine Service, Royal Marine Commandoes."

    But not only can they be FOOs but cannoneers and that's utterly ludicrous. Absolutely and seriously so.

    Not yours nor anybody here's fault but your MoD is out of their heads to do so. Completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-2 View Post
    "To be more exact: Women are not allowed to serve in the infantry, Royal Armoured Corps, Household Cavalry, RAF Regiment, Royal Naval Submarine Service, Royal Marine Commandoes."

    But not only can they be FOOs but cannoneers and that's utterly ludicrous. Absolutely and seriously so.

    Not yours nor anybody here's fault but your MoD is out of their heads to do so. Completely.
    Something from the MoD Recruiting Page:

    Once you are fully trained, you join a Regiment or Corps depending on your area of interest and specialisation:

    The Infantry
    At the forefront of military operations (posts are open to men only).

    The Royal Artillery
    Use the latest weaponry and specialist armoured equipment (posts are open to men and women).

    The Household Cavalry and the Royal Armoured Corps
    Specialise in manoeuvre warfare and have a ceremonial role as the Queen's personal escort and bodyguard on horseback (posts open to men only).

    The Army Air Corps
    Ground crew operators maintain the Army's Apache Helicopters (posts open to men and women).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    I'm surprised your Mom didn't make you wash outside. It is always a good idea not to wash when in the woods if on a hunting trip or on long patrol(Military wise) as your "aroma" can give you away. If the enemy are not used to aftershave or soap these smells linger longer than you think. A return to the wild and woolly days of the caveman can be of great value at times, but not in Moms home. I remember having to get undressed on the veranda and then straight into the shower, Cloths were always in the machine before I came out, sometimes I think they walked there on their own)
    You smelly pair of buggers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenie View Post
    You smelly pair of buggers)
    It is but true, I was made to undress at the front door by my ex, before she allowed me in the house, neighbours weren't to impressed. )

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    Where females serve (% of number of females in Service by role)

    Royal Navy

    Warfare branch 36

    Engineers & technicians 13

    Logistics 33

    Medical 18


    Army

    Combat (all of these women serve in the Army Air Corps) 1

    Combat Support 21.9

    Combat Service Support 77.1

    RAF

    Ground/Officer Aircrew / Non-Commissioned Aircrew 3

    Operations Support & associated trades (Not accounting for RAF Regt) 21

    Other 76

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    (Female) soldiers have acquitted themselves with distinction during OIF and OEF. They have proven that females can have what it takes in direct combat. Whether it's the 95lb female from a civil affairs unit in my brigade that took a round into her arm and got right back up into the turret during an ambush or the awarding of the Silver Star to SGT Leigh Ann Hester (see Palm Sunday Ambush starting on page 59) or to PFC Monica Brown, there's ample evidence out there.

    The trick is how you develop unisex standards and then enforce them (I had a female mechanic in my battalion that was married to my sniper team sergeant who was tougher than probably half of my male soldiers). Frankly, the downside to discipline will stem less from having boys and girls together; I think it will stem more from wounded male egos when a female soldier out PTs them, out rucks them, etc.
    "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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