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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
    Not cost-effective. The Russians do a better job.
    How so?

    Why is C-17 not cost effective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blademaster
    How so?

    Why is C-17 not cost effective?
    AEROFLOT is currently dominating the mass air transport market. They've already written off the capital investments when the old USSR collapsed. Thus, their rates are unbeatable. The only reason why CF-AC/EUROCORP/USAF want their own birds is because of dependency issues. You don't want your LOG train to be subject to someone else's schedule. However, for large moves, such as a brigade or a division, you simply cannot beat their costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
    AEROFLOT is currently dominating the mass air transport market. They've already written off the capital investments when the old USSR collapsed. Thus, their rates are unbeatable. The only reason why CF-AC/EUROCORP/USAF want their own birds is because of dependency issues. You don't want your LOG train to be subject to someone else's schedule. However, for large moves, such as a brigade or a division, you simply cannot beat their costs.
    How well does IL-76 compare to US counterparts? That's what India has.

    What about the An -225? How does it compare to C-17?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blademaster
    How well does IL-76 compare to US counterparts? That's what India has.

    What about the An -225? How does it compare to C-17?
    Does the fact that the US DOD hire AEROFLOT mean anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem
    Hot brunette Canadian soldier-chicks temporarily stationed in my house.

    Well, you asked.

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    Too bad Project Clothe The Soldier is completed, otherwise, you would love the job of finding bras for our uniformed women members. It has been determined we need six different types. How they determined that, I have no idea. Guess I was too busy looking at the wrong breast plate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
    Too bad Project Clothe The Soldier is completed, otherwise, you would love the job of finding bras for our uniformed members. It has been determined we need six different types. How they determined that, I have no idea. Guess I was too busy looking at the wrong breast plate.
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    What do I expect of the CF?... hmmmm an Invasion of France would be a good start.

    j/k I like sohail too much to wish an invasion on his country, although I wouldn't mind if chirac accidentaly popped a blood vessal or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
    What do I expect of the CF?... hmmmm an Invasion of France would be a good start.

    j/k I like sohail too much to wish an invasion on his country, although I wouldn't mind if chirac accidentaly popped a blood vessal or something.
    Right on. Can I get a hoo-ah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
    What do I expect of the CF?... hmmmm an Invasion of France would be a good start.
    Errrrrr, I've actually been to France. Why would I want to go back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman
    Right on. Can I get a hoo-ah?
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    I'll second that hoo-ah.

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    Awesome hoo-ahs, y'all.
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    Well I can see I'm not the only one who holds this believe.

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    If true, then, Canada is the only other country aside from the US to have a sector of its own.



    Canada to send combat brigade to Afghanistan
    by Richard Sunday February 13, 2005 at 01:39 PM

    More troops to Afghanistan

    MUNICH, Germany (AP) — Canada will nearly double the number of troops it has in Afghanistan by this summer and is considering sending a combat brigade to the Kandahar region early next year, Defence Minister Bill Graham told The Associated Press today.

    Canada currently has some 600 troops serving in the Afghan capital of Kabul with NATO's International Security Assistance Force, and plans to put a provincial reconstruction team, or PRT, in the southern city of Kandahar by August, Graham said.

    The PRT, which aims to boost stability while working on humanitarian projects such as building schools and clinics, would be part of an overall expansion of peacekeepers into the southern region later this year.

    "Canada will be there for establishing a PRT in Kandahar in August, that will be the first step," Graham told AP on the sidelines of an international security conference in Munich. "We will have the 600 in Kabul still, so that means we'll be up to the 1,000 to 1,100 range."

    At a NATO defence ministers' meeting in France on Thursday, Canada expressed willingness to take a leading role in the Kandahar area. Graham said that could include adding a brigade of between 700 and 1,200 troops to the region in spring 2006, ready to take part in combat operations, in addition to the PRT.

    "If we were to put the additional brigade in, obviously it would be part of Operation Enduring Freedom," he said, using the name of Washington's anti-terrorism drive in Afghanistan.

    If the combat brigade is sent in, Graham said the Kabul-based peacekeepers would likely come home, although those being sent to Kandahar would remain.

    He emphasized, however, that the exact Canadian role in Kandahar will depend on many factors, including the stability of the region, and it "is something that is being fleshed out at this time."

    Canada supports the U.S. push to integrate the NATO mission in Iraq with the U.S.-led mission currently fighting remnants of the Taliban and al-Qaida, but is still studying how closely the two forces should be fused, Graham said

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    Any country that shares a border with the United States doesnt need a military.

    Save your money.
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