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    Quote Originally Posted by -{SpoonmaN}- View Post
    I've toyed with the idea of maybe making a class of medium infantry battalions that fit in between motorised light infantry and the mechanised heavy infantry we currently deploy. Maybe the stryker would be a useful vehicle for us, it comes in pertainent variants, its light enough and has a lot of commonality with the ASLAV through it's shared heritage in the Pirhana. The way I see it, we could be gunning for a large body of motorised light infantry with Bushmasters as their primary vehicle, and a smaller body of Stryker-mounted Medium infantry and M113 mounted Mechanised Infantry to provide a range of capabilties for BattleGroup through to Brigade Group deployments. Plus the Stryker fits a full section, something the ASLAV PC does not do.
    I've definitely been for putting the bushmaster on the Stryker from the beginning. It would make them less dependent on the supporting strike aircraft.

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    I've definitely been for putting the bushmaster on the Stryker from the beginning. It would make them less dependent on the supporting strike aircraft.
    As designed the SBCT concept has no need for autocannons, what I question is wheter we really need medium weight motorised infantry, I personally feel motorised LAV III based cavalry would be a tremendous asset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith601 View Post
    As designed the SBCT concept has no need for autocannons, what I question is wheter we really need medium weight motorised infantry, I personally feel motorised LAV III based cavalry would be a tremendous asset.
    I think all of them having autocannons would be better then a few here and there having a 105mm. Though we might say it shouldn't happen today, whenever militaries have mounted tank guns on vehicles, some smartass tries to go use it like a tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan187 View Post
    I've definitely been for putting the bushmaster on the Stryker from the beginning. It would make them less dependent on the supporting strike aircraft.
    lol bit of a confusion of terms there, the Bushmaster doesnt just refer to the M242 in the ADF, it also relates to the Bushmaster Infantry Mobility Vehicle. It's kinda like the German Dingo 2 or to a lesser extent the Turkish Cobra (which I would have liked us to buy instead but hey). It's becoming the standard combat transport for our light infantry, as well as for RAAF Defence Guards, and its been adpoted by the Dutch Land Forces in Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -{SpoonmaN}- View Post
    lol bit of a confusion of terms there, the Bushmaster doesnt just refer to the M242 in the ADF, it also relates to the Bushmaster Infantry Mobility Vehicle. It's kinda like the German Dingo 2 or to a lesser extent the Turkish Cobra (which I would have liked us to buy instead but hey). It's becoming the standard combat transport for our light infantry, as well as for RAAF Defence Guards, and its been adpoted by the Dutch Land Forces in Afghanistan.
    Lol, definitely talking about the 25mm cannon, although the image of a Dingo riding atop a Stryker is going to keep me laughing for days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan187 View Post
    I think all of them having autocannons would be better then a few here and there having a 105mm. Though we might say it shouldn't happen today, whenever militaries have mounted tank guns on vehicles, some smartass tries to go use it like a tank.
    I would just as soon attach a platoon of AT vehicles to each company (of troop if we're using them as cav) and forget the MGS altogether. The MGS is an infantry support system, in a cav formation you don't have much infantry so it's really not needed.

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    the Bushmaster doesnt just refer to the M242 in the ADF, it also relates to the Bushmaster Infantry Mobility Vehicle. It's kinda like the German Dingo 2 or to a lesser extent the Turkish Cobra (which I would have liked us to buy instead but hey). It's becoming the standard combat transport for our light infantry, as well as for RAAF Defence Guards, and its been adpoted by the Dutch Land Forces in Afghanistan.
    The Bushmaster isn't bad; it carries a full rifle squad and provides protection in a LIC from the most common threats AK-47s and mines. So for LIC it would be fine. Better then a Land rover. Give it a 12.7mm-HMG or a 40mm-AGL.

    To the best of my knowledge, and this stuff is changing a bit right now so I can't exactly lay it down as law, there are four patrols of 3 vehicles in each troop, with each patrol consisting of two 25s and one PC. The PC carries 4 scouts normally.
    They could logically have room for 8 more dismounts (4 each) in the ASLAV-25s to add to the 4 in the ASLAV-PCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troung View Post
    The Bushmaster isn't bad; it carries a full rifle squad and provides protection in a LIC from the most common threats AK-47s and mines. So for LIC it would be fine. Better then a Land rover. Give it a 12.7mm-HMG or a 40mm-AGL.



    They could logically have room for 8 more dismounts (4 each) in the ASLAV-25s to add to the 4 in the ASLAV-PCs.
    My thoughts exactly, but apparently the Bushmaster wasn't designed with anything above 7.62 in mind. I'm sure this can be circumvented but as it stands they're not shipping with anything tougher than GPMGs. If I had things my way we'd have an RWS version with an M2 and or a Grenade launcher, perhaps dispersed at platoon or company level to provide some additional cover to the other vehicles while they're on the move. Coupled with the Javs that I'd like to see at Battalion level in all infantry formations and we'd have some decent DFS Weaponry to throw around, as well as the mortar variant which gives us the nice 'hit-n-run' ability that would help our relatively light infantry overcome some of their firepower disadvantages.
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    Can anyone point me in the direction on information of the 2nd ACR when it was using Humvees? From what I have read they had planned to give it the XM-8, but that was canceled. I guess they were for use like 1er RHPs ERC-90s?

    The Regiment as a whole had if I am not mistake some 180 Humvees, 108 Humvee-TOW, 18 M-198s and 32 OH-58Ds before it was turned into a Stryker cavalry regiment.

    Does anyone know any sources that describe how the unit planned to fight or on the organization of the unit? Or if someone just has a lot of off the top of ones head information... )
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