Joining the USMC as a foreigner...

**sappersgt** · 16 Jan 07, 23:50

Originally Posted by Ray

Is it true that if you were a member of the Foreign Legion and you were in trouble, the others would help you out even if it meant breaking laws including murdering?

Murder? Loyalty only goes so far. If you're asking if they would or could be recruited to commit a crime like say rob a bank I'd say usually no. That is unless they were already prone to robbing banks anyways.

Former soldiers of a type stick together. Sturmpioneers do. I had a former Sapper stand up in church and ask for help because he thought his family might be in danger. I put my hand on his shoulder saying I would help. When he asked why I told him because we had both been Sturmpioneers.

Before he could say anything I felt a hand on shoulder and a voice behind me said, "We too will stand with thee." I turned around and saw two brothers who allowed that they also had been Blauensages and they would not allow any harm to befall our families.

**Ray** · 17 Jan 07, 00:40

That's right I am aware, being an infantryman myself, that the regimental spirit in units that don't rotate their troops individually i.e. the combat arms have a very strong bond amongst themselves because of serving in the unit all their career span.

What I was asking is that notwithstanding this type of a bond, do the Legionnaires have that affinity that they would come to the rescue of their ex comrades to the extent of even committing murder?

I think I read it somewhere and since quite a few of you have friends in the Foreign Legion, I thought you could give more details on the authenticity of this claim.

**-{SpoonmaN}-** · 17 Jan 07, 02:45

Hey this is probably a good spot to ask this one given all the union jacks I see, so, I'm curious about the rules pertaining to foreigners in the UK Armed Forces. I know there seems to be a lot of Commonwealth citizens serving in the Crown Forces, and then of course there's the Gurkhas, so what's the requirement?

**ChrisF202** · 17 Jan 07, 15:28

Originally Posted by sappersgt

You wouldn't start at the bottom. They'd probably make you a Corporal initially and then promote you to Sergeant as long as you didn't mess up really bad. You'd really have to like the military to sign for six years after four.

The Spanish Foreign Legion is only three years. I've heard the abysmally low pay has been corrected. Don't expect conditions to be good and the training is really tough. Prior military experience is common. I know of one company that was commanded by an American Sgt-Major, the XO was English and had been to Sandhurst and the platoon commanders were former British and South African NCOs.

I thought that the SFL does not allow foreigners anymore and that it is more of an elite infantry unit rather then a foreign legion?

**soutie** · 17 Jan 07, 16:08

if you can prove that you do not have to do national service ,and you are a memeber of the commonwealth ,and you do not have a crimminal record you can apply ,i stand corrected on this oh yes amd the ability to count to five is normally a pre requisit

**sappersgt** · 17 Jan 07, 18:54

Originally Posted by ChrisF202

I thought that the SFL does not allow foreigners anymore and that it is more of an elite infantry unit rather then a foreign legion?

The amount of foreigners allowed to enlist in the Tercio de Extranjeros is restricted by law. This past year legislation was passed increasing the percentage of foreigners allowed to serve in the Legion, IIRC from four to seven percent.

Interestingly the highest rank allowed by a legion officer is Major. Higher ranking officers are all regular army.

**Deioces** · 28 Jan 07, 06:12

as long as you are in the united states legally you can join any branch of the military, there are certain top secret jobs you cannot participate in but can serve in the junky postitions such as infantryman or moving boxes and stuff.

**zenimal** · 31 Jan 07, 08:13

My friend who served in Iraq wasn't a US citizen, and joined US military (Army I think) and after serving 4 years he got a citizenship. Not sure how he went through, but it definitely wasn't a hassle and serving in the military helped him big time in getting the citizenship. Maybe Army helps you since your loyal to them and stuff, etc.?? Don't know.

Getting a green card was a hassle for me, they screwed up on applications many times, or things got lost, ugh.

Originally Posted by Account

"its not possible to get a green card to go to the usmc... so thats solved then... cant get into america however hard i try it"

Fly to mexico.

You can literally walk right across the border. Everyone else does...

Yea but you can kiss your green card or citizenship goodbye without a SSN.

**abazize1** · 10 Jun 09, 02:14

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**JAD_333** · 10 Jun 09, 03:25

Originally Posted by Fireworxx

Hi there...
first of all please excuse my english...
I'm a German citizen and would like to join the usmc... is that somehow possible? I've been searching around for infos but i dont really find anything... if anyone has any infos, please answer...
thx!

That was posted June 23, 2004. almost 5 years ago and he's still getting advice...lol

I wonder if he ever made it into the Marines.

**Blue** · 10 Jun 09, 04:18

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**Gun Grape** · 10 Jun 09, 04:57

Here I am.

abazize1 - Thread over 2 years old. Was prying this thread open worth a kitten?

Die kitty Die!!!!!

**Officer of Engineers** · 10 Jun 09, 05:58

Where's Pari? We need a recipie for kitten with worchester sauce.

**tankie** · 10 Jun 09, 09:39

Nahhhh Col , you need kanur , the punjabi tiger hunter , a big kitty killer

**tankie** · 10 Jun 09, 09:51

Originally Posted by -{SpoonmaN}-

Hey this is probably a good spot to ask this one given all the union jacks I see, so, I'm curious about the rules pertaining to foreigners in the UK Armed Forces. I know there seems to be a lot of Commonwealth citizens serving in the Crown Forces, and then of course there's the Gurkhas, so what's the requirement?

Stonewall Jackson mate , i know in 1RTR in the early 70s , a drummer in our regimental rock band was discharged for not being a Brit nat , how he got in i dont know , maybe Dave can elaborate , his name was Zakowlsky , could be a bit of a give away that name huh , but a great soldier and a fab drummer , still , enter Lukins as drummer ,or were you before Z Dave ,

Foreign Nationals Serving Full Time in HM Forces
A Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Defence by William Morrison-Bates

The request was partially successful.
William Morrison-Bates

3 February 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,

I would like to know the number of foreign nationals who were full
time serving members of HM Armed Forces incl. Royal Air
Force..Royal Marine Corps..Army...Royal Navy for the year ended
31/12/2008.

Yours faithfully,

William F Morrison-Bates

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William Morrison-Bates

4 March 2009
Dear Sir or Madam,

The response to my request, February 2009, seeking information
available under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act within
the statutory 20 days has not been fulfilled and I now advise
yourselves that UK Law is now being broken by yourselves. An
explanation of your Ministry's NON response would be greatly
appreciated, prior to my seeking further advice from other
interested parties.

Yours sincerely,

William Morrison-Bates

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Dear Mr Morrison- Bates

I refer to your email dated 4 March. I attach a response to your dated
27 February 2009 in response to your request for information dated 4
February, which I hope you received.

The Act allows authorities a period of 20 working days from the day
after the receipt of the request to compile a response. I note that the
attached response was sent on 27 February 2009, some 17 working days
after the day of receipt. I consider this to be a prompt response within
the terms of the Act.

I should be grateful if you would acknowledge receipt of this email.

Yours sincerely,

A J Tranham

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Dear CIO-AccessRevAHD (Tranham, Andrew B2),

Sir

Although I do appreciate your eventual response to my initial
enquiry, there is NO way that a reply was sent on the date stated
by you or your department. I assume that you are aware that all
requests and responses are handled by a third party, and as such,
we have been unable to trace the reply you allegedly transmitted to
me as stated in your belated Email. Perhaps this was a
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the recent years ?

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