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Old 08-16-2005, 11:29 AM   #31 (permalink)
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My question is, has this all changed during time to not allow imigrants to enlist? I realize that the 1940's were a long time ago, and much is different now than it was then, which is why I ask.

I was wrong in a way, I guess. These days you definetly need a green-card or have be a citizen, but in the 40s they probably took anyone who wanted in.
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:34 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I was wrong in a way, I guess. These days you definetly need a green-card or have be a citizen, but in the 40s they probably took anyone who wanted in.
I suppose I did not look at it from the view point of the US taking in pretty much anyone willing to help us out. I was thinking more of the stance that immigrants posed less of a threat to us in the 40's and so would not have as many restrictions as nowadays.

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Old 08-20-2005, 02:39 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Alright, now before I say something and get attacked, I want to say that by no means do I know much of anything about this topic. I am only trying to clear up my own understanding.

OK. I have my grandfather's papers from when he had joined the US Army. He was never a US citizen, he was born and raised in Mexico. In fact, when he went in, he barely spoke English. I know he had never gained citizenship prior to going in as his papers even list him as a "non-citizen" and the SSN is blank.

His wife, my grandmother, had also been raised in Mexico, but she had somehow become a US citizen (I am not clear how, the story has changed at my father's generation level).

My question is, has this all changed during time to not allow imigrants to enlist? I realize that the 1940's were a long time ago, and much is different now than it was then, which is why I ask.
We have always allowed non citizens in the military.

A few things to remember, Immigrant tracking at the federal level didn't start until 1940. Prior to that once you were granted entry, you were suppose to report to the nearest courthouse once a year. And also during that time everyone wasn't required to have a SSN. Not all types of jobs were to be covered under the program. One of the reasons that service numbers were issued in the military.

Even now, non citizens that pay into SS cannot recieve funds when they reach retirement age unless they have become citizens.
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Old 08-20-2005, 16:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
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We have always allowed non citizens in the military.

A few things to remember, Immigrant tracking at the federal level didn't start until 1940. Prior to that once you were granted entry, you were suppose to report to the nearest courthouse once a year. And also during that time everyone wasn't required to have a SSN. Not all types of jobs were to be covered under the program. One of the reasons that service numbers were issued in the military.

Even now, non citizens that pay into SS cannot recieve funds when they reach retirement age unless they have become citizens.

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Old 03-20-2006, 14:03 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Loining the Marines

I tried to join the Marines 10 years ago and opted out now. My uncle was a Seal as he joined the US NAVY when the rules where not so tight ( That got him into Vietnam) Now with the war in Iraq blazing I want to try again as also the Brit army has advised me im not welcome ( I am a Dutch native and be honoust, that would not be the armed forces to join). so let us know if any one finds a loop hole
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Old 04-17-2006, 18:38 PM   #36 (permalink)
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i have the same problem.. i'm not after being a citizenship or a greencard holder, i just want to serve in the US military but you need to be one or the other. i've been looking for some options on how to do so but its very difficult..
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Old 05-01-2006, 00:58 AM   #37 (permalink)
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First, you must be A permanent resident of the United States. Now, there are two ways you can go about this,

(A) Obtain a Visa and remain in the Country for a said perod of time (through the petition process) while working.

(B) Marry a United States citizen and obtain citizenship.
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I tried to join the Marines 10 years ago and opted out now. My uncle was a Seal as he joined the US NAVY when the rules where not so tight ( That got him into Vietnam) Now with the war in Iraq blazing I want to try again as also the Brit army has advised me im not welcome ( I am a Dutch native and be honoust, that would not be the armed forces to join). so let us know if any one finds a loop hole
You could possibly try obtaining a Visa and seeking a Green Card. I'd assume ties to your uncle would be taken into account.
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Old 06-21-2006, 03:44 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Not pretty, but this is how some illegals joined

They made it across the border, and then got really good fake green cards. This is how some illegals made it into the US military - it appears that the military's system for checking a person's immigration status is no better than it is in the private sector. Of course, you do need to meet the recruitment standards of the branch that you do decide to join - I understand that the minimum generally involves at least a high school diploma or its equivalent (the GED, which involves taking a test), which you may have to get locally.
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Old 11-12-2006, 10:56 AM   #40 (permalink)
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im pretty much in the same situation, wanna join the USMC and i live in the UK
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Old 11-12-2006, 12:52 PM   #41 (permalink)
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lol this is weird so many guys posting here with "post 1".
anyways, marryin a american girl and gettin a US green card?

hmm i think rules for Europe and Asia are diff, cuz here even getting a normal green card from US on work permit basis takes 5 years.If dont from your MNC then no problemo.
and even if u marry a girl it takes a year or two.
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from a navy site

Enlistment into the U.S. Navy, or any branch of the U.S. military, by citizens of countries other than the United States is limited to those foreign nationals who are legally residing in the United States and possess an Immigration and Naturalization Service Alien Registration Card (INS Form I-151/551 — commonly known as a "Green Card"). Applicants must be between 17 and 35; meet the mental, moral, and physical standards for enlistment; and must speak, read and write English fluently.

Note: The U.S. military branches cannot assist foreign nationals in obtaining admittance into the United States. Questions concerning immigration to the United States should be asked of the U.S. Embassy. Only after immigration procedures are completed and an applicant is legally residing in the United States may an application for enlistment be accepted.

Furthermore, in order to be commissioned an officer in the U.S. Navy, one must be a native-born or naturalized United States citizen.

The U.S. government agency which is responsible for immigration and naturalization is the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service. Their web site is at http://uscis.gov/graphics/index.htm

Updated: 10 February 2006

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Old 11-13-2006, 12:53 PM   #43 (permalink)
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so basically, if i meet those requirements and have a green card i am eligable to join the USMC?

and to answer a previous comment....this is the only place where an appropriate search result came when i searched about foreigners joining USMC :\

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Old 11-15-2006, 11:09 AM   #44 (permalink)
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so basically, if i meet those requirements and have a green card i am eligable to join the USMC?
Correct. As the previous commenter pointed out, getting hitched to an American girl is probably the quickest way to a green card. If you're going to be in the USMC, you'd probably marry an American girl, anyway. Start hanging out with Americans on your side of the water. Hey, you never know. Also the Marines take people up until they're 35. (For the Army it's until they're 42).
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Old 11-15-2006, 12:02 PM   #45 (permalink)
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interesting, im 17...not exactly looking for marriage right now and if truth be told, theres not too many americans in this area...i might have to go hunting for some...
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