A couple Cold War questions...

Sandman · 08-23-2006, 09:39 AM

1). Were Soviet ICBM silos in fact 'harder' than US silo's? US silos were reinforced in the early 1970s, to something like 2000 plus psi, and theories as to further harden them went on to burrying them in bedrock very deep. Soviet silos were for some reason considered harder, but is this true, and how was this conclusion come to? (or was it just Cold War hype to buy newer equipment?)

2). The US dismantled it's fixed installation Nike Herculese SAM system around US cities, Alaska, and Florida by the mid 1970s. Various reasons were given; McNamara said that with no effective national missile defense, a bomber defense was pointless. Still, the SAM-D, later renamed Patriot, was designed, and purchased with the idea of replacing the Nike Herc, with the added benefit of being mobile. It could be deployed anywhere for that reason within short order. My question is if there were any intention to use it to deploy around US cities, (for bomber, or maybe missile defense) like the Nike Herculese it replaced? (Perhaps in times of high tension)

Anon · 08-23-2006, 10:49 AM

Patriot batteries have been deployed around Washington DC since immediately after 9-11....and they're still there now so far as i know.

Stuart Slade and a few other AD experts i know all feel Nike-Hercules would've been very effective and that macnamara was a strapped-asss.

**Officer of Engineers** · 08-23-2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

1). Were Soviet ICBM silos in fact 'harder' than US silo's?

They were but more out of necessity than by design. It was alot easier for the Soviets to add in concrete than to design a proper hardened silos. During the execution of the START treaties, alot of their silos were found to have water at the bottom, indicating that they had stop maintaining them, rendering these silos virtually useless.

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Stuart Slade and a few other AD experts i know all feel Nike-Hercules would've been very effective and that macnamara was a strapped-asss.

Weren't these nuke tipped?

Sandman · 08-23-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

They were but more out of necessity than by design. It was alot easier for the Soviets to add in concrete than to design a proper hardened silos. During the execution of the START treaties, alot of their silos were found to have water at the bottom, indicating that they had stop maintaining them, rendering these silos virtually useless.

Weren't these nuke tipped?

Yes they did have a nuclear version deployed with it. Ed Theylan has a website that will answer any Nike questions as well;
http://ed-thelen.org/

Sandman · 08-23-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Patriot batteries have been deployed around Washington DC since immediately after 9-11....and they're still there now so far as i know.

Stuart Slade and a few other AD experts i know all feel Nike-Hercules would've been very effective and that macnamara was a strapped-asss.

I thought it was some smaller sized system I saw pictures of, but I wouldn't be suprised.
McNamara should have stuck to designing cars. He had no business being in the DOD.
Nike with the nuke warhead connected to a "battle management" radar would have duplicated what the Ruskies did when they violated the ABM treaty,,,
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/cong...h/h960927l.htm

**TopHatter** · 08-23-2006, 14:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

McNamara should have stuck to designing cars. He had no business being in the DOD.

None whatsoever.

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Sandman *Military Professional* Join Date: 07-05-05 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 218 Country:	A couple Cold War questions... 1). Were Soviet ICBM silos in fact 'harder' than US silo's? US silos were reinforced in the early 1970s, to something like 2000 plus psi, and theories as to further harden them went on to burrying them in bedrock very deep. Soviet silos were for some reason considered harder, but is this true, and how was this conclusion come to? (or was it just Cold War hype to buy newer equipment?) 2). The US dismantled it's fixed installation Nike Herculese SAM system around US cities, Alaska, and Florida by the mid 1970s. Various reasons were given; McNamara said that with no effective national missile defense, a bomber defense was pointless. Still, the SAM-D, later renamed Patriot, was designed, and purchased with the idea of replacing the Nike Herc, with the added benefit of being mobile. It could be deployed anywhere for that reason within short order. My question is if there were any intention to use it to deploy around US cities, (for bomber, or maybe missile defense) like the Nike Herculese it replaced? (Perhaps in times of high tension)

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