I have some dumb questions - Page 2

**TopHatter** · 04-20-2006, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

A Major General is junior to a Lieutenant General.

A Major is senior to Lieutenant and yet with the Generals, it is the opposite.

Why?

It is because originally a Major General was a Sergeant Major General and a Sergeant Major was junior to a Lieutenant!

But what if the Major General is the very model of a modern Major General?

**Officer of Engineers** · 04-20-2006, 08:50 AM

TH,

Have you read over both posts?

**TopHatter** · 04-20-2006, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

TH,

Have you read over both posts?

I have indeed. I was simply having a little fun with the Brigadier by quoting a little Gilbert and Sullivan

bigross86 · 04-20-2006, 10:09 AM

Here's how it works in the IDF's Armored Corps, as far as I know. It's different from the other land forces, mainly infantry, in size as well as grouping.

A tank crew of three (Gunner, Loader, Driver) is commanded by a Commander by the rank of Sgt. or Staff Sgt.

A tank Company of three tanks is is commanded by a 2nd Lt., or rarely by an Lt., with a Staff Sgt. XO.

A tank Platoon of eleven tanks, three Companies, CO and XO tank, is (usually) commanded by a Captain, with a Lt. XO.

A tank Battalion of three Platoons, two operational and one training Platoon, as well as a HQ Platoon, is commanded by a Lt. Col., with a Major XO.

A tank Brigade of three Battalions, plus all HQ, Logistics, Intel and all other associated forces is commanded by a Col., with a Lt. Col. XO.

Brigadier and Major Generals command the Corps', the regional commands, and the branches, i.e., air land and sea.

Lieutenant General (here's only one), is the Head of the General Staff, or Ramatka"l, currently Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz.

The interesting thing is that once you become a Colonel, you go through an Armor Course, which is an abbreviated version of Tank Commanders course and Tank Officer course, in order to ease the understanding and leadership in time of war. Therefore, every Colonel or above in the army, is not only qualified to command an armor Brigade, but is also allowed to wear the Tanker's pin on his uniform.

Asim Aquil · 04-20-2006, 11:17 AM

meeh, I like this:

Quote:

Mafia structure

Known as the Honored Society among Mafiosi, the chain of command is organized in a pyramid similar to a modern corporate structure.

1. Capo di Tutti i Capi (the "Boss of Bosses", since Bernardo "il trattore" Provenzano was caught, unknown for the Sicilian Mafia; not applicable to the American Mafia)
2. Capo di Capi Re (a title of respect given to a senior or retired member, equivalent to being a member emeritus)
3. Capo Crimini (a "Super Boss" known as a Don or "Godfather" of a crime family)
4. Capo Bastone (known as the "Underboss" is second in command to the Capo Crimini)
5. Consigliere (an advisor)
6. Caporegime or Capodecina (a captain who commands a "crew" of around ten Sgarriste or "soldiers")
7. Sgarrista or Soldati ("made" members of the Mafia who serve primarily as foot soldiers)
8. Picciotto (a low ranking member who serves as an "enforcer")
9. Giovane D'Onore (an associate member, usually someone not of Italian or Sicilian ancestry)

I'd so be consigliere

Ray · 04-20-2006, 17:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopHatter

I have indeed. I was simply having a little fun with the Brigadier by quoting a little Gilbert and Sullivan

Thanks.

I haven't heard this song before.

I am going to see if I can get my hands on this!

Ray · 04-20-2006, 17:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blademaster

Why is there a separate command of SouthWestern Command at Punjab? They only have one Corps. Not only that, Central Command only has one corps. Why is that? I thought a Command consists of two Corps or more.

Is there a rank of Lt. Colonel in the Indian Army? If so, then what roles do they typically fulfill? as a XO of the battalion, second to the Colonel as the CO? If so, then how many Lt. Colonel are there in a battalion? Four?

How many Colonels are in a brigade? Four?

When you say independent brigade? You mean that they are not part of a division but get Corps tasking for specific jobs, is that correct?

What does a Field Marshal do and what equivalent rank are there? Do they carry 4 or 5 stars?

In the US, what does a Chief of Staff Army do and how is it different from the Joint Chief of Staff of the Military? Does JCS outrank Chief of Staff Army and thus can order him around?

A Lt Col is the second in command.

A Birgade has four Colonel (3 COs and one Deputy Brogade Commander).

Field Marshal is 5 star in the British and Indian Army. In the Indian army, they are sinecure.

As far as the Corps and their number of divisions or a Command and its Corps, it all depends upon the Threat Analysis and Application of the combat punch.

sparten · 04-21-2006, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

As far as the Corps and their number of divisions or a Command and its Corps, it all depends upon the Threat Analysis and Application of the combat punch.

Sir, it seems to be the same in our army. I was reading in Defence Journal, that 10 Corps size and responsibilities were that of an army, while XII Corps is an oversized division.

Ray · 04-21-2006, 14:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparten

Sir, it seems to be the same in our army. I was reading in Defence Journal, that 10 Corps size and responsibilities were that of an army, while XII Corps is an oversized division.

That would be a bit off the actuals.

Ray · 04-22-2006, 15:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

meeh, I like this:

Quote:
Mafia structure

Known as the Honored Society among Mafiosi, the chain of command is organized in a pyramid similar to a modern corporate structure.

1. Capo di Tutti i Capi (the "Boss of Bosses", since Bernardo "il trattore" Provenzano was caught, unknown for the Sicilian Mafia; not applicable to the American Mafia)
2. Capo di Capi Re (a title of respect given to a senior or retired member, equivalent to being a member emeritus)
3. Capo Crimini (a "Super Boss" known as a Don or "Godfather" of a crime family)
4. Capo Bastone (known as the "Underboss" is second in command to the Capo Crimini)
5. Consigliere (an advisor)
6. Caporegime or Capodecina (a captain who commands a "crew" of around ten Sgarriste or "soldiers")
7. Sgarrista or Soldati ("made" members of the Mafia who serve primarily as foot soldiers)
8. Picciotto (a low ranking member who serves as an "enforcer")
9. Giovane D'Onore (an associate member, usually someone not of Italian or Sicilian ancestry)

I'd so be consigliere
________________

I'd so be consigliere

How did this quote come in?

Man, some people will do anything to have their names on the thread!

Real dumb. Real dumb. :shakes head:

Or was it that the thread title stated something about the issue of being dumb?

Hey, you don't have to be that dumb!

furkensturker · 01-16-2008, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

Thanks.

I haven't heard this song before.

I am going to see if I can get my hands on this!

I trust by now ray, you have seen some Gilbert and Sullivan. The question now is, when is Bollywood going to make their own version?

Freddie

**Ironduke** · 01-17-2008, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

TH,

While the rank is of a General Officer, the word "General" is not used in the British, Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lankan Army.

There is another interesting aspect that one could know:

A Major General is junior to a Lieutenant General.

A Major is senior to Lieutenant and yet with the Generals, it is the opposite.

Why?

It is because originally a Major General was a Sergeant Major General and a Sergeant Major was junior to a Lieutenant!

There have been Captain Generals and Colonel Generals.

sparten · 01-20-2008, 06:48 AM

A full general is a Captain General, the "Captain" was dropped a couple of hundred years ago. Marlborough was a Captain General.

The Chap · 04-16-2008, 02:45 AM

This is why I'm civy.

7thsfsniper · 04-16-2008, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shek

As an example, my last unit was 1st Battalion, 23rd Infantry, 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division (Stryker Brigade Combat Team).

Shek, I didn't know you were a vet. I read on some thread that you were a professor somewhere(?). Thanks for you service!

04-20-2006, 08:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 14,874 Country:	TH, Have you read over both posts? __________________ Chimo

04-20-2006, 10:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	Here's how it works in the IDF's Armored Corps, as far as I know. It's different from the other land forces, mainly infantry, in size as well as grouping. A tank crew of three (Gunner, Loader, Driver) is commanded by a Commander by the rank of Sgt. or Staff Sgt. A tank Company of three tanks is is commanded by a 2nd Lt., or rarely by an Lt., with a Staff Sgt. XO. A tank Platoon of eleven tanks, three Companies, CO and XO tank, is (usually) commanded by a Captain, with a Lt. XO. A tank Battalion of three Platoons, two operational and one training Platoon, as well as a HQ Platoon, is commanded by a Lt. Col., with a Major XO. A tank Brigade of three Battalions, plus all HQ, Logistics, Intel and all other associated forces is commanded by a Col., with a Lt. Col. XO. Brigadier and Major Generals command the Corps', the regional commands, and the branches, i.e., air land and sea. Lieutenant General (here's only one), is the Head of the General Staff, or Ramatka"l, currently Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz. The interesting thing is that once you become a Colonel, you go through an Armor Course, which is an abbreviated version of Tank Commanders course and Tank Officer course, in order to ease the understanding and leadership in time of war. Therefore, every Colonel or above in the army, is not only qualified to command an armor Brigade, but is also allowed to wear the Tanker's pin on his uniform. __________________ You're a naughty girl, go to my room!

04-16-2008, 02:45 AM	#29 (permalink)
The Chap *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-18-04 Location: UK Posts: 1,083 Country:	This is why I'm civy. __________________ Where's the bloody gin? An army marches on it's liver, not it's ruddy stomach.

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sparten Actus Reus *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-10-04 Location: You would like to know would'nt you? Posts: 1,671	A full general is a Captain General, the "Captain" was dropped a couple of hundred years ago. Marlborough was a Captain General.

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