U.S. VS. Soviet Union

Grim Reaper · 02-26-2006, 17:31 PM

I always wanted to know if the USSR didn't collapse and they went into a full scale war with the U.S., which Superpower would have won?

**TopHatter** · 02-26-2006, 18:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper

I always wanted to know if the USSR didn't collapse and they went into a full scale war with the U.S., which Superpower would have won?

The cockroaches left scurrying around in the radioactive rubble.

HistoricalDavid · 02-26-2006, 18:01 PM

In the late 1980s? With something like over 60,000 warheads on each side, the effective answer would be 'both of them would lose'.

In conventional weaponry, NATO far outclassed the Warsaw Pact at the time. But as soon as the ICBMs and SLBMs are involved, the discussion is a bit pointless beyond technicalities such as 'just how many tens of millions would be incinerated?'

Anon · 02-26-2006, 22:54 PM

Australia, Argentena, South Africa, and Chile would've won.

leib10 · 02-26-2006, 23:44 PM

If nuclear weapons weren't used (which wouldnt've happened) the US would've won.

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-26-2006, 23:58 PM

Actually, both sides would have sat back waiting for the other guy to attack.

**Parihaka** · 02-27-2006, 00:06 AM

New Zealand would have won because we would be charging everyone a premium for food and water.

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-27-2006, 00:27 AM

Both NZ and Australia were on the target list.

**Parihaka** · 02-27-2006, 00:31 AM

Yeah, I know. Echelon, Waihopai, Mt John and all that. It can at times be a sad wee world we live in...

Anon · 02-27-2006, 01:08 AM

When you compare the geographic scale of Aus to the relatively small number of weapons aimed at them, i think it's probably safe to assume that the continent as a whole would've remained habitable.

Horrido · 02-27-2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Actually, both sides would have sat back waiting for the other guy to attack.

I disagree, I say nuclear attacks on US CVBG's/convoys on day three, and likely ports as well, if not on day one right out of the gate.

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-27-2006, 01:58 AM

We read them wrong ... and they us.

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php

Great Lencucha · 02-28-2006, 04:05 AM

If they didn't use warheads the USSR would win with their larger forces and firepower.

gunnut · 02-28-2006, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Lencucha

If they didn't use warheads the USSR would win with their larger forces and firepower.

Not necessarily. US built a conventional force based on using technology to overcome numerical deficit.

**Officer of Engineers** · 02-28-2006, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Lencucha

If they didn't use warheads the USSR would win with their larger forces and firepower.

Hey Kid, take a hint.

I was there. The 4th Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group. And you are wrong.

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02-26-2006, 17:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Grim Reaper Regular Join Date: 02-11-06 Posts: 116 Country:	U.S. VS. Soviet Union I always wanted to know if the USSR didn't collapse and they went into a full scale war with the U.S., which Superpower would have won?

02-26-2006, 23:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
leib10 HKHolic *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 02-17-05 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 3,231 Country:	If nuclear weapons weren't used (which wouldnt've happened) the US would've won. __________________ "The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man

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Officer of Engineers Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 14,794 Country:	Actually, both sides would have sat back waiting for the other guy to attack. __________________ Chimo

02-28-2006, 04:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
Great Lencucha Banished Join Date: 02-26-06 Posts: 44	Who would win If they didn't use warheads the USSR would win with their larger forces and firepower.

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HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 1,914 Country:	In the late 1980s? With something like over 60,000 warheads on each side, the effective answer would be 'both of them would lose'. In conventional weaponry, NATO far outclassed the Warsaw Pact at the time. But as soon as the ICBMs and SLBMs are involved, the discussion is a bit pointless beyond technicalities such as 'just how many tens of millions would be incinerated?'

02-26-2006, 22:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 1	Australia, Argentena, South Africa, and Chile would've won.

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Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 8,995 Country:	New Zealand would have won because we would be charging everyone a premium for food and water.

02-27-2006, 00:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 14,794 Country:	Both NZ and Australia were on the target list.

02-27-2006, 00:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 8,995 Country:	Yeah, I know. Echelon, Waihopai, Mt John and all that. It can at times be a sad wee world we live in...

02-27-2006, 01:08 AM	#10 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 1	When you compare the geographic scale of Aus to the relatively small number of weapons aimed at them, i think it's probably safe to assume that the continent as a whole would've remained habitable.

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