Bad Karma

Give those nevertheless in English

- на русском языке, пожалуйста. я имею затруднение понимать вашу английскую язык. я не думаю, то война против России было бы этим же как в Ираке. я думаю то, война было бы очень трудно. Мы вытерпели бы много потерь. Мое мнение, однако, наши Военно-воздушные силы не приобрел превосходство. но наши сухопутныа войска были бы более лучшими.

Bad Karma

Times of the Iron Curtain has ended 18 years ago!!!

Вы верите ваше правительство говорит вам правду сегодня?

Я впускаю, мое knowlege вашей страны будет 7 лет старых. поже 9/11 я работалв против террорисме. Однако прежде чем я работал изучающ ваши возможности.

Вы продавали половину ваших воиска. правда?

Officer of Engineers

Gentlemen,

This is an English forum.

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Firral

I think that it is war would be absolutely unpromising not for us, not for you.
In ground operation, you could not excel above us. You represent the sizes of Russia, its relief, quantity of armies and the population, etc. I also very much doubt of the superiority of your technics (as it still never collided with the opponent of its age).
I already spoke you, that Russia has centuries-old history of wars against conquerors. In case of attempt to win Russia, enemies always collided with enormous persistence of its all population.
You were always very sensitive to losses, and in case of ground war your losses would be huge. I do not think that you were ready to such war in 80th years, and the more so now.
PS: Know, you repeat a course think of many up to you. But after that Poland became a part of Russian empire (and was to it till 1917), Swedes have been beaten out from Ukraine, Russian cossacks were in Paris, and later Russian tanks in Berlin.
Such as you, history nothing trains

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Firral

You think I judge the country under messages of my government? I live in Russia, I serve in its army. I have eyes and ears, and also a brain to analyze. Think I do not understand that here occurs?
I can buy any newspaper (set from them oppositional), or to look for example the Russian channel of NTV or European EvroNews. You understand nothing in modern Russia! All conversations on infringement of a freedom of speech is a full delirium!
I can tell to you also, that you judge the world under messages FoxNews and CNN (which not on a straight line are financed due to two your parties)

What means have sold? To whom? I do not understand you?

Bad Karma

I think that it is war would be absolutely unpromising not for us, not for you.

- Agreed.

In ground operation, you could not excel above us. You represent the sizes of Russia, its relief, quantity of armies and the population, etc. I also very much doubt of the superiority of your technics (as it still never collided with the opponent of its age).

- Disagree, but let's leave it at that.

Bad Karma

I can tell to you also, that you judge the world under messages FoxNews and CNN (which not on a straight line are financed due to two your parties)

- I'm not judging anything from news sources.

What means have sold? To whom? I do not understand you?

- The highest bidder, a Columbia Drug cartel ended up with one of your submarines.

Firral

As well as I, do not judge the world under messages of my government or for example 1 and 2 Russian tele-channels.
I did not hear about it. And what class there was a submarine? I doubt, that the greater submarine was necessary for them, it very dear.

omon

i know that story, there was an attempt, israli mobster(ussr born) with ties to colombia drug lord, tryed to buy a sub, he is in jail now, he was interviewed, he said, when he called russian admiral, he didn,t expect him to even talk about sale, but to his amusment, the admiral asked, "you want it with missiles or not" they got busted by fsb, both in jail.
no subs got sold to drug dealers.

there are some bad apples, but it no way means that russian navy or army is all like that. all armys have bad apples.

as russian saying goes: слышал звон, да не знаеш где он.
translation: heard the noise, but don,t know where it came from.

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omon

i wasn,t necessary, but it would serve tham great to smugle drugs, thou i think us navy would spot them half way to florida.

Firral

I cannot present at all as it probably to make: " imperceptibly to sell a submarine ". It seems to me, it is a fantasy as Hollywood films.

omon

i understand, i was surprised very much when i heard it myself, thought it was a hoax, but it wasn,t, they showed fsb hidden camera film, and trial records.

thou, i wonder what crew would they use to operate it, but than again nothing surprises me these days.

when i was a kid we used to ride bikes to a army base in odessa, there we would trade ciggarets, for badges, petlitci, pogoni, zna4ki, once i personaly brought a bottle of vodka, i got almost new army belt for it.

Bad Karma

- I believe it was a diesel Sub. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia began selling a lot of their arms. A lot of other countries bought your weapons, Iran is probably one of the bigger ones. One of the bosses at Chrysler bought a Mig-17 and jets around Detroit with it, several other American bought them You could even get a Mig-29 if you wanted to pay
32M (USD) for it.

zraver

The M829 series will penetrate very close to a meter of RHA. The biggest differance is the ability to penetrate after hitting heavy ERA.


IIRC this is a bore riding design and its performance past 1500m was horrible.

Soviet claims are generally over stated and estimates about American equipment are generally low. If you take away the 10% bravado fluff the last Soviet rounds remained unable to defeat even an early Abrams from the front.

It may be a belief but it is pretty convincing. Soviet military equipment almost never worked as advertised.

The only thing the USSR did well was space missions. Their cosmonauts have a much better chance of getting home safely.

What about them Mongols? Or WW1 Germany or Poland in the 1920's. Russia is not impervious to conquest.

As for Iraq, in some ways thier best units were even better than those fielded by the Red Army. The Republican Guards had superior tube artillery via the South African 155mm, superior communications via fiber optics, combat experiance, professional cadres and a unified language and national identity. With the exception of the quality of equipment there is no reason to think they performed any less well than an equivalent Russian soldier. To say the US didn't fight in its league is to miss the key points of the US victory- battle management. The US moved faster and kept its eyes on the enemy while blinding the enemy in turn. Desert Storm was an information war and was fought at a level the Red Army could never hope to match under the Soviet heirarchy. Modern Russia is attempting to change this with the kontrackt soldiers but still has to deal with short enlistments and large numbers of dispirited draftees. She also lacks the US capabilities in information warfare.

Bad Karma

there we would trade ciggarets, for badges,

I got into the Russian craze of collecting badges myself, unfortunately my ex-wife has them now.