zraver

There is a huge difference between illiterate, and unable to understand spoken directions or communicate detailed information verbally. If I can tell you, "when i give the signal turn this switch exaclty this far." and show you what I mean. vs smacking you around and hand gestures.

imishin

Sorry, this is moving a bit too fast, I didn't see your second response before I posted that last one, I edited it, check it again.

Officer of Engineers

It means that your posts contain a lot of incorrect information and there are experts on this board who not only have earned our respects (which you have yet to do) whom you should seek clarifications.

Punch in the mouth for not understanding Russian. That is the most idiotic thing you could come up with, especially for a submarine force. Turning the wrong valve just because someone doesn't understand meant that submarine has just became a coffin.

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imishin

Im really not in the business of earning anyone's respect here, thats beyond my concerns. Who the hell do you think you are? Why would I want your respect?

What did I say that was incorrect? Spetsnaz is not a unit, Vympel, Alfa, etc. are units. If you think that is incorrect than you need to look it up.

Do you understand what a joke is? And its not something I've come up with its what my father has relayed to me. Im sure thats not exactly how it was, but every story has a grain of truth.

An overly bitter Canadian, thats new.

Officer of Engineers

I see. Then, there's no point of any of this going any further. I will expedite your happiness here. Good bye.

braindead

The ´Fist-in-a-mouth´´things happened and were quite common. My co-worker served 1988-1990 in MVD troops (interior forces), he told me that the first time the troops were on shooting range, officers were kneeling on Central Asian soldiers backs just in case they would turn their AK-s to other direction and start shooting their mockers. Another friend of mine served in Strategic Missile Forces in Siberia early 80-s and the stories are much more terrible/unbelievable and so on. On my local mil.-forum there is 20-page thread of ´memories from Sov.Army´. Some of this is unbelievable even for me, and I´ve heard plenty.
And Firral wrote about Sov.system , where the first military training started in high-school and university. But in university the exams (to get your compulsory 1-st lieutenant papers) could be bought with a couple of bottles of Armenian Cognac. BUT this was our part, the situation in Russia , where the Sov.Military had much higher respect, could have been much different.
As one major in our Army wrote - it was up to you to decide what you did with your time - play assclown, torment someone , just ´stay under radar´or try to get something useful out of it.

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Officer of Engineers

I don't doubt those stories but the submarine is the last place you want a disgruntled submariner.