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We never did, at least not on a brigade level. My last rotation the scouts were out all night fighting and the Brigade moved to flank and got flanked in turn when we walked in to a trap. The lead elements locked horns with a holding force and then the cs units like the jump tocs and maintenance/recovery assets got corn holed and everything went to hell in a hand basket. We had the brigades MP's trying to fend off MRC's with dragons while the support elements looked for wadis' to hide in. It's was a classic example of shock effect. I don't think a Soviet Unit could have done it. Quote:
Their doctrine was first rate, but they could not support it. The first things that are going to die would be the scout elements. leading the spear vs NATO heavy units with BRDM's and ACV's is not a way to see long life. This means 10 minutes after the war starts the security element would be the lead element. |
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Assuming the USSR would not risk nuclear war with America but took the gamble that she could cross the Rhine before Reforger units arrived. if nukes pop then its over anyway. The Soviet problem of course is the fact that the front line is not the main line. They have to paste the front lines and the ACR's (vs the US) to even reach the US divisional formations. As good as that artillery might be its not going to get all of the ACR's combat assets- bye bye scouts and depending on how much of the ACR survived possibly a good chunk of the entire first echelon as well. What elements do survive now have to face divisional and brigade screens. By the time the main fight is joined I seriously doubt the recon assets would be alive.
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I don't think Soviet poltical leadership from 1980-1985 was particularly dangerous. The general sacretariats, Brezhenev, Andropov and Cherneko, were to a man extremely old and extremely ill of health.
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I'm not trying to derail your points but merely pointing out that they themselves were never prepared both numerically and psychologically to do as you suggest. I don't think they even consider going to the Rhine after this publication. So, the question is what were they prepared to do and could they have done it according to their doctrine? We thought that they thought it was possible to fight a limited war. |
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Precisely my point. It was never the intention of Soviet Russia to expand westwards. This was NATO propaganda (to justify jobs for the boys). The creation of the iron curtain was to keep OUT.
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Mr Radzinski says Yes. He asserts that Stalin was injected with poison by the guard Khrustalev, under the orders of his master, KGB chief Lavrenty Beria. And what was the reason Stalin was killed? "All the people who surrounded Stalin understood that Stalin wanted war - the future World War III - and he decided to prepare the country for this war," Mr Radzinski says. "He said: we have the opportunity to create a communist Europe but we have to hurry. But Beria, Khrushchev, Malenkov and every normal person understood it was terrible to begin a war against America because the country [Russia] had no economy. "It wasn't a poor but a super-poor country which was destroyed by the German invasion, a country which had no resources but only nuclear weapons. Stalin by- Edvard Radzinski. Also the large number of Soviet subs points towards an interdiction policy in the event of war. If they really planned on going nuclear from day 1 why such concern for cutting off Reforger units? Same as the focus inside the Red Army itself on offensive operations. They did not spend nearly as much time on field craft and defensive operations as they did on offensive training. Training your infantry to dismount and run towards the enemy firing from the hip for suppressive fire while you close is not defensive. Same goes for SCUD and FROG rockets, they are useless for hitting moving columns but ideal for hitting bases, choke points, and defensive works if your not sure about your air force doing the job. The evidence say the Red Army was geared to go west. The only ingredient missing in the 50's and 70's when the Red Army had the most and best cards was the political will to do so. |
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The Canadians have given up tac nukes in the 60s but we were still expected to perform that role. |
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