Thread: Who has the strongest military in Europe?

Originally Posted by parihaka

What I'm asking is that given I wouldn't expect to see a battle group on my part of the pond until an actual invasion force was ready, how quickly could an invasion force be prepared?

Overlord was planned for about 2 years. At that time the US could use Britain as staging area.

That was one of the first personal attacks I have made on this forum, and it was wrong of me to make it

Well you are one of a small remaining number of people on any forum across this earth who is still man enough to admit a mistake, I am most impressed.
and now we wait with baited breath for thesaint to take down the barricades of fortress europe and do the same.

Now to add my own meager opinion to this disscussion.
First was this war between Europe and the U.S. a sudden strike by either side (and if so which side) or a slow steady build up of arms. 2nd what are the objectives of either side, 3rd what is the current geo political climate, and finally what are the current military force dispossitions (current affairs or other).
Given the level of multiple starting condition variations and objectives it is possible for either side to win in a multitude of scenarios. It simply cannot be boiled down to a black and white europe v America.
However in an all out war (involving Nukes) I believe America would win. Why you chorus, because they have far more ICBM's let alone sub based weapons. By the way on sub based nukes the idea of the boomer is not to get caught. Now while Europe would be a smouldering waste America could not escape without being hit by a few nukes so it would be a Pyric victory.
Now let us continue in this new world for a moment, with Europe gone America has pretty much kicked the last stiffled seconds of life out of its economy and the wolves (china, N.Korea, Iran, Venezuella etc) will not take to long to show up on the doorstep to huff puff and blow the house down.

yours truly...

btw: I have seen sniper go many moons ago and know exactly what you mean.

Aren't you up for another stripe soon?

this is actually what I call classic username laziness. I simply have not altered my username, but your right. As soon as I finish my current posting I will look into it, But dont expect the username to change with it he he he

Originally Posted by ARW_cpl

...Now let us continue in this new world for a moment, with Europe gone America has pretty much kicked the last stiffled seconds of life out of its economy and the wolves (china, N.Korea, Iran, Venezuella etc) will not take to long to show up on the doorstep to huff puff and blow the house down.
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No! Not you too with the invading Venezuelans story! You sound like a reasonable person and Venezuela has the same population as Texas

Yes I am well aware that even a weakened America could step on Venezuala, I was merely adding another country name to the list of america dislikers as an example (allthough in hindsight a bad one).
Now are we all happy campers in this thread again

Originally Posted by thesaint

Overlord was planned for about 2 years. At that time the US could use Britain as staging area.

True, however taking Ireland would be considerably useful in establishing a forward base. I would liken our likely campaign to island hopping in the initial stages.

Originally Posted by parihaka

What I'm asking is that given I wouldn't expect to see a battle group on my part of the pond until an actual invasion force was ready, how quickly could an invasion force be prepared?

I'm not sure that is a fair assumption though. I think that once the blockade around Europe had been set up, that CVBG's could probably be expected to launch harrassment raids in weak points, and focus on stripping away certain vital industries (like electronics plants) that take a while to rebuild.

So I need to rely on road transport for fuel and to defend my power generation to the best of my abilities.

That is a lot of trucks if you're going to use them as a pipeline as well as a fuel distribution sources.

All I want to achieve is to destroy or at least scare away any vessel within striking range of my shores. I don't care if I loose lots of aircraft/crew as long as my production/training outstrips the losses. I need time to build up production of aircraft and missiles, and even longer to build up creditable naval force, hence my question about how long until an invasion force is ready. The navy I have would be preserved strictly for coastal defence.

That's the problem though. Losses on both sides would take a very long time to replace, and therefore for the opening stages of the war, we would both be relying primarily on existing forces.

UK is the strongest. They have nuclear weapons and the 2nd best navy in the world.

How in gods name did a thread about "Who has the strongest military in Europe" turn into a America v Europe thread. I am aware that the thread is fairly old and I did in the past become involved in that argument but I think the question ought to be asked.

UK is the strongest. They have nuclear weapons and the 2nd best navy in the world.

I'm not going to disagree (don't know enough to do so) but might I point out that France also has Nuclear weapons and a fairly well put together Armed service.

thesaint, banned. given my rather sporadic appearences I am some what out of the loop with WAB goings on. How would someone care to tell me did he manage that. Hi all, again

Originally Posted by ARW_cpl

How in gods name did a thread about "Who has the strongest military in Europe" turn into a America v Europe thread. I am aware that the thread is fairly old and I did in the past become involved in that argument but I think the question ought to be asked.

i'll give you three guesses - though you'll only need one...

I'm not going to disagree (don't know enough to do so) but might I point out that France also has Nuclear weapons and a fairly well put together Armed service.

indeed, the French have more nukes than the UK and are of a variety of types, Land based, Submarine based and air dropped, though whether their seabourne SLBM systems are as accurate/well hidden/responsive as the UK's Trident force i'm not sure.