Thread: Canada Goes Tankless

Oh, get off it! Tim Hortons is travelling via LAV III and so are their butter cookies ... with Chocolate Milk!

Originally Posted by troung

The Gavin is the greatest armored fighting vehicle of all time, ever, period.

Oh great...Mike Sparks managed to hijack troung's screenname.
Just what the hell am I supposed to do now?

Not to mention, this idiotic thread that I started when I was practically brand-new to thet WAB is still going...

Originally Posted by Canmoore

Yes, but the Taliban mainly uses hit and run tactics, and an RPG launcher is alot easier to carry around than a Heavy Machine Gun is. Most of these attacks on the LAV's consist of RPG ambush's, IED's or Suicide Bombers.

You know if you take the time to set up a few HMGs in a good ambush position with RPGs and riflemen in support, when you hit that LAV convoy you'd maul it so bad you just might find that you wouldn't need to run...

Apparently the Canucks and Brits are seriously lacking in Arty and TACAIR, that's what all the articles have been saying.

Originally Posted by troung

You lazy EGOMANIC Canadians just need to send over some THICK SKINNED Gavin tracked light tanks!!! They could avoid the roads and with band-tracks could sneak up and surprise the Taliban teams. The thick hull could shrug off RPG-7s and allow the infantry to fight MOUNTED behind gunshields!!! Your LAV-III wheeled-truck deathtraps are road bound and lightly armored and cannot get off the roads and take the fight to the Taliban!!! No better then TF-Smith of GM-100!!!! THE SAME KIND OF VEHICLES THAT THE FRENCH WERE ANNIHILATED IN THE FIRST INDO-CHINA WAR! The Gavin is an ALL-TERRAIN LIGHT TRACKED ARMORED FIGHTING VEHICLE.

One of the "urban legends" being foisted by primarily Canadian LAV-III liars is that antitank mines do not pose a threat because a road-bound LAV-III ran over a small anti-personnel mine (not a surprise) and didn't get totally destroyed. ANY Army vehicle can run over an AP mine designed to blow a foot off via a few ounces of explosives and not be completely destroyed. But here is proof from the Canadians themselves: a web page describing how they are desperately trying to add a huge piece of underbody armor to LAV-IIIs to protectt hem from landmines. If the LAV-III is mine protected as the Canadian liars proclaim, why are the trying so hard to develop underbody mine armor? The LAV cannot afford any extra weight--knowing this it must be an urgent requirement because the truth is that the LAV IS POORLY PROTECTED AGAINST LANDMINES.

In contrast to the continued lies about the LAV-III, the "vanilla" M113 aluminum alloy armor is much lighter than LAV-III steel and can be thus thicker without weight penalty. Compared to the LAV-III's measly 14mm thick steel (little more than 0.5 of an inch), the M113A3 has rolled 5083/5086 H32 aluminum armor that varies from 1.5 to 1.75 inches (38.1mm to 44.45mm thick), not to mention spall liners inside the hull. We have not even talked about adding applique' armor to it yet---the applique' armor the M113A3 can carry because its NOT overweight and has extra reserve power WILL stop 14.5mm heavy machine gun bullets, in fact it can be types that defend against 30mm autocannon kinetic energy projectiles as well as RPGs.

So the M113A3 as-is has armor that is 3 times thicker and is thus much stronger and lighter than the LAV-III's thin steel. We can work with this and get a far greater level of protection against RPGs, 30mm autocannon and ATGMs using M113A3 Gavins! If you want to be in a thin-walled, air-filled rubber-tired LAV-III in a a shooting war, then the fitting nickname for the LAV-III would be the "Custer" as in being surrounded by enemies and annihilated as he was at the battle of Little Big Horn because he refused to use common sense. Custer thought he could ride his way out of any trouble, in the same kind of hubris the rubber-tired fanatics think will save them from "Indians with RPGs and ATGMS

Take your Gavin tracks and upgrade them to a M-113A4 with the hybrid-electric drive, band tracks and they will do much better!!! Plus you can sling load a Gavin on a helicopter!!!! It can be flown in by C-130 or slung under a CH-53E. And give it a V shaped hull to make it mine proof. Further its tracks can run over mines that would kill the RUBBER TIRES of a LAV-III death-truck. The Gavin light track is tracked and can take an IED far better then a LAV-III BS-TRUCK riding on 8 air filled RUBBER tires stuck on the roads. The Gavin can provide SHOCK ACTION against the Taliban!!! The LAV-III cannot go off road and is not armed or protected to fight the Taliban.

The Gavin can do this because it has extra power and weight-carrying capability since its 28% more space/weight efficient than a BLOATED LAV-III armored TRUCK, rolls on weight spreading and compact tracked propulsion. It's about time you Canadians take war serious and stop playing board games!!!!

The so-called "legacy" M113A3 tracked AFV kicks the avante garde' ******** LAV-III/IAV wheeled armored car in the ass by 4 decades of COMBAT SUCCESS; the LAV-III/IAV's only "track" record is a LEGACY OF FAILURE.

The Gavin is the greatest armored fighting vehicle of all time, ever, period.

LOL, that was a fukkin' classic Sparks rant dude....Kudos.